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From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 09:16:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO2hHWadHY4iUFvq=Q=sa=gRimnQ3E5e70VacMN6qk60mYMHkQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h6s0n95y.fsf@gnu.org>

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On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:49 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

>
> FWIW, I don't trust tools that "do all that for me".  When building a
> package that needs some prerequisite, I want to:
> [...]
>

This is laudable but also requires effort, sometimes non trivial effort;
witness the extra hoops required to get functional tree-sitter "support"
inside emacs. Cargo is a (fairly slight, actually) evolution of the
strategy I first saw back in the mid-90's with CPAN (the "Comprehensive
Perl Archive Network"), through CTAN (similar for TeX), ruby, python, etc.

I do agree that the default setup of cargo tends a little too much towards
DWIMishness for my taste, but it's not hard to turn that down AND it
removes many of the most annoying parts of library version management/hell.

In this particular case, unless I'm misreading, the OP is suggesting that a
generic "builder" layer could include cargo as one of the many build
management systems that is widely used to create (usually libre) software,
rather than suggesting it as a model that either Emacs or the FSF should
follow.

I hope that helps,
~Chad

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-25 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-21 10:21 [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs BTuin
2023-05-21 12:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-21 14:56   ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 17:24 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 19:33   ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 19:58     ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 21:36       ` John Yates
2023-05-22 16:35       ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23  0:44         ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 21:10           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23 21:17             ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-05-24  6:09             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2023-05-24 21:35               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-24 23:32                 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-25  0:11                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25  4:00                   ` tomas
2023-05-25  6:53                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25  7:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25  9:33                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 11:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 11:53                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 13:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 14:36                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 16:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 16:40                                     ` tomas
2023-05-25 19:23                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  0:57                                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-27  0:24                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  5:57                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-26 21:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:25                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 10:20                                           ` Madhu
2023-05-28 12:38                                             ` Po Lu
2023-05-29 22:03                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-29 22:42                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-05-30  7:26                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 12:54                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 16:50                                                         ` chad
2023-05-31  1:14                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  1:09                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  5:29                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  8:17                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  9:06                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  3:34                                                                   ` Yilkal Argaw
2023-05-27 14:55                                         ` Brian Cully via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-26  0:54                                   ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:26                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-27  2:37                                       ` Ruijie Yu via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-28 21:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:01                                           ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-31  1:16                                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-02 21:38                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-05  1:10                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  5:19                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-05  8:17                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05  9:00                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:28                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30 21:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-28 21:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25 13:16                         ` chad [this message]
2023-05-25 19:38                           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-26 21:32                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  9:45                             ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-28 21:48                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29  8:03                                 ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-30 21:47                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25  7:55                       ` tomas
2023-05-25  8:44                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 10:38                       ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 11:44                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 12:02                           ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 12:08                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26  0:52                               ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27  0:26                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 21:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:03                                   ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:29                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-26 22:59                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-05-28 21:22                         ` Björn Bidar
2023-05-29 22:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30  4:28                             ` tomas
2023-05-25 10:42             ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 19:36               ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-22 22:00 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-23  8:36   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-23 11:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-23 12:13       ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 18:46       ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24  6:32         ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 20:09           ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24  3:34     ` David Masterson
2023-05-24 10:26       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-28 21:17     ` Björn Bidar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-05-27  7:12 [PROPOSAL] " Payas Relekar

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