From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 16:09:03 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a5xsmuc0.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <beae68ea9180a65a4837@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Thu, 25 May 2023 11:53:29 +0000)
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 11:53:29 +0000
> From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
> cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
>
> >>> I'm not aware of any "do-everything-for-me" build tool which will
> >>> allow me to do all of the above.
> >>
> >> Now you are ;-)
> >
> > No, I am not.
> >
>
> You asked specific questions, to which I provided specific answers. If
> they were unclear, or if you have further questions, feel free to ask.
The answers were clear, but they didn't present any solutions to the
issues I brought up. None of the tools I'm aware of, including
Cargo, support interactive selection of dependencies based on their
features and requirements, nor provide any decision support for the
kind of decisions I described. They allow you to specify a version,
but leave the actual decision process to you. And if that is the
case, why do I need them? I can easily build stuff myself once I've
figured out which versions of what dependencies I need.
And there's no need for you to work hard to try to represent the
problems as having their solutions. Those build tools do not intend
to solve those problems, they don't even consider them problems. They
"know better". The facilities you described are nothing more than lip
service.
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-21 10:21 [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs BTuin
2023-05-21 12:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-21 14:56 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 17:24 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 19:33 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-21 19:58 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-21 21:36 ` John Yates
2023-05-22 16:35 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23 0:44 ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 21:10 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-23 21:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-05-24 6:09 ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2023-05-24 21:35 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-24 23:32 ` Jim Porter
2023-05-25 0:11 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 4:00 ` tomas
2023-05-25 6:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 9:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 11:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-05-25 14:36 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-25 16:40 ` tomas
2023-05-25 19:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26 0:57 ` Po Lu
2023-05-27 0:24 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26 5:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-26 21:16 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27 0:25 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 10:20 ` Madhu
2023-05-28 12:38 ` Po Lu
2023-05-29 22:03 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-29 22:42 ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 7:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 12:54 ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 16:50 ` chad
2023-05-31 1:14 ` Po Lu
2023-06-05 1:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05 5:29 ` Po Lu
2023-06-05 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05 9:06 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 3:34 ` Yilkal Argaw
2023-05-27 14:55 ` Brian Cully via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-26 0:54 ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27 0:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-27 2:37 ` Ruijie Yu via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-28 21:48 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:01 ` Po Lu
2023-05-30 15:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-31 1:16 ` Po Lu
2023-06-02 21:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-05 1:10 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05 5:19 ` Po Lu
2023-06-05 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-05 9:00 ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-28 21:48 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25 13:16 ` chad
2023-05-25 19:38 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-26 21:32 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27 9:45 ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-28 21:48 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 8:03 ` Yuri Khan
2023-05-30 21:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-25 7:55 ` tomas
2023-05-25 8:44 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 10:38 ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 11:44 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-25 12:02 ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 12:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-26 0:52 ` Po Lu
2023-05-26 21:16 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-27 0:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-28 21:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-05-30 13:03 ` Po Lu
2023-05-31 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-26 22:59 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-05-28 21:22 ` Björn Bidar
2023-05-29 22:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-29 22:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-30 4:28 ` tomas
2023-05-25 10:42 ` Po Lu
2023-05-25 19:36 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-22 22:00 ` Richard Stallman
2023-05-23 8:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-23 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-23 12:13 ` Po Lu
2023-05-23 18:46 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24 6:32 ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 20:09 ` Augustin Chéneau (BTuin)
2023-05-24 3:34 ` David Masterson
2023-05-24 10:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-28 21:17 ` Björn Bidar
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2023-05-27 7:12 [PROPOSAL] " Payas Relekar
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