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From: Thibaut Verron <thibaut.verron@gmail.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:58:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFsi02S-JgbqX=kpS=pLFDz=BTOPJWwMLFhyBE0OKs6onCLTRg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201012062916.GB2923@protected.rcdrun.com>

> Tell me examples of popular usage that you refer to?

Downloading packages from Melpa every day. Or even using Doom or
Spacemacs (both activate the Melpa repository afaict, through Straight
in the case of Doom).

> Free form gives enough possibility for any user to explain anything
> they wish.

But do they wish to?

Imagine a poll for a presidential election, where John Doe and Richard
Miles are the frontrunners.

Now let's say that a pollster frames its question like this:

"Who do you intend to vote for?
- John Doe
- Other (please specify)"

What would you think of the data resulting from such a poll?

>
> > If anything, wouldn't we want to get an idea how many Emacs users
> > currently use a non-free package repository?
>
> I am not sure if there is any non-free package repository for
> Emacs.
>
> MELPA is fetching most packages from the Microsoft Github, and Github
> dictates free licenses for any public repository, most of them are
> free software. For me is hard to find particular example that uses non
> free software.

Okay...

> Above paragraph refers to MELPA, that could wrap non free software in
> the free software packages. I can then imagine links in packages pointing
> to non free software, that is what was meant with recommendation. It
> does not refer to questions in the opinion poll.

Okay.

> GNU project with promotion of free software is not biased as that
> would mean that it is influenced in an unfair way.

The GNU project is not biased. But the proposed amended survey would
be, similar to the hypothetical presidential poll above.

>
> GNU project is influenced in a fair way and thus should be promoting
> and supporting free software and helping users of proprietary software
> to understand what is free software and freedom in computing.
>
> The word propaganda you maybe used in a negative connotation, but the
> word itself means promoting information to spread some cause. Who is
> not interested, would not read it. The point of propaganda that some
> will get interested, so propaganda gives results for those who are.

Who is not interested might also leave the survey and skew the data.
Advertisement
campaigns disguised as surveys are legion.

> > But, for example, wouldn't something like below be both short and
> > explicit enough?
> >
> > "- Melpa (Note: Emacs and the GNU project DO NOT ENDORSE package
> > repositories which encourage non-free software, see
> > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/)"
>
> I do not think that it is necessary for survey from GNU Emacs to ask
> if people are using Melpa or whatever other software
> repository.
>
> Reason for that is that it is obvious that people do, people ARE using
> MELPA and Marmalade software repositories;

Okay, that is a valid point (although I would be interested to
know if people still use Marmalade). But then we might as well drop
the repository question altogether.

> AND more important reason
> not to ask is that information about usage of those repositories,
> likes, number of contributors, it is already available on the
> Microsoft Github "Insights" link on the MELPA page. There is no point
> in asking users what is already obvious. There are stars or likes on
> Github.

This data might have its own selection bias.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-12  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 575+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-08 15:30 Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Adrien Brochard
2020-10-08 17:27 ` Philip K.
2020-10-08 17:45   ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 11:30     ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 14:37       ` tomas
2020-10-09 17:23       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 18:17         ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 19:52           ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10  3:56             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10  9:36               ` Philip K.
2020-10-10 16:33                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 18:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-11 10:46                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:42                   ` Philip K.
2020-10-11 19:46                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11  1:00               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10 10:35             ` Philip K.
2020-10-11  5:24               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 17:59                 ` Philip K.
2020-10-12  2:03                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11  7:31               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-11 12:04                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 17:47                 ` Philip K.
2020-10-09 17:59     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09  0:41 ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-09  1:26   ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10  3:52   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10 21:44     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-12  2:04       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-09  3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-09 18:01   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09 23:12   ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-09 23:31     ` Drew Adams
2020-10-09 23:36       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10  2:21         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10  2:40           ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10  3:53             ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10  8:09     ` Teemu Likonen
2020-10-10 10:45       ` Rasmus
2020-10-11 10:32       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 15:15         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 18:25           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 19:47             ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:36               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13  3:48             ` How to request changes in Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-10-13  4:59               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16  4:00                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16  4:47                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-13 15:56               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14  4:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14  5:12                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:19           ` Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:42             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:33         ` Philip K.
2020-10-11 18:45           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13  3:48             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 19:47           ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:33             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 23:24               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12  4:10                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 17:35                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12 18:33                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 18:41                       ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 20:54           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 14:32       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 10:54     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-10 13:50       ` Philip K.
2020-10-12 14:36         ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-11 11:58       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 14:36       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-10 13:17     ` Rasmus
2020-10-12 14:41       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-11  5:23     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11  7:35       ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-11 12:08         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 12:50           ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-11 17:15             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 17:36               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 18:13                 ` Brett Gilio
2020-10-11 18:27                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 18:44                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:58                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 20:12                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 18:34                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-11 19:15                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-11 19:22                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13  3:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 20:26                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  2:04             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-12  3:32               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12  5:04                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  5:33                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12  6:29                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  6:58                       ` Thibaut Verron [this message]
2020-10-12  8:16                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  8:37                           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12 14:09                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  7:54                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-10-12  8:34                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  8:54                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-10-12 16:36                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13  3:53                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-13  5:25                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-15  3:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-15  5:19                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-13  3:53                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-13  5:27                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16  3:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16  6:02                           ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16  6:52                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16  7:24                               ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16  7:53                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16  8:25                                   ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 12:17                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 13:45                                       ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 14:04                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 14:33                                           ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 14:58                                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 15:51                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 16:10                                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 16:16                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 16:32                                                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 16:50                                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:16                                                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 17:32                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:55                                                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 18:16                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17  4:20                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  4:50                                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17  5:44                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17  6:42                                                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17  7:52                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18  4:16                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  5:49                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18  4:16                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  5:52                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18  4:16                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  8:36                                                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-20  5:10                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  9:42                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-10-16 15:36                                             ` Ergus
2020-10-16 19:08                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 19:52                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 20:17                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17 11:40                                               ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-17 19:51                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17 21:38                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-18  2:58                                                   ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-16 19:22                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:17                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:36                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 19:43                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 20:03                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:29                                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 20:40                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17  4:19                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  5:02                                                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17 13:13                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17  5:07                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17 12:34                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2020-10-17 15:56                                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-17 16:13                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-17 21:38                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-18  2:40                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-18  4:13                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 15:20                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 21:10                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 22:02                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:08                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:47                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-10-16 20:15                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:59                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-16 21:50                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17  4:19                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  4:19                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:57                                       ` Ergus
2020-10-16 15:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16 19:11                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 16:09                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-16 17:29                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 19:11                                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 19:54                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 20:20                                           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17  4:22                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  4:31                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-19 10:12                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-19 16:15                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-20 13:45                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 18:57                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 17:08                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 17:04                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-16 17:39                                 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-18  4:09                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 16:33                             ` MELPA issues - " Jean Louis
2020-10-16 18:09                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16 22:00                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-16 22:08                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17  4:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  4:59                                     ` chad
2020-10-17  5:05                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-17  5:06                                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-17  2:59                               ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-18  4:12                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  5:16                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18  4:10                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  7:51                               ` Marcel Ventosa
2020-10-18  9:29                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-18  9:36                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-18  8:57                               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-19  3:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 15:57                               ` Philip K.
2020-10-19  3:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 11:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 12:43                                     ` Proposal to include obligatory PGP verification of packages from any repository Jean Louis
2020-10-19 15:55                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-19 16:38                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19 17:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 17:47                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19 18:02                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 19:04                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-19 20:17                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 21:02                                                     ` Jean Louis
     [not found]                                                       ` <jwvft69evmy.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2020-10-20  7:40                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-22 21:25                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23  9:17                                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-23 14:52                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-23 16:59                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-23 18:25                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-24  6:26                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-24 15:29                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 18:53                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-19 18:57                                               ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-19 19:20                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 18:28                                       ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-19 19:00                                         ` ELPA security (was: Proposal to include obligatory PGP verification of packages from any repository) Stefan Monnier
2020-10-19 19:50                                         ` Proposal to include obligatory PGP verification of packages from any repository Jean Louis
2020-10-20  5:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20  5:52                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-21  4:46                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 16:17                                           ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-19 15:46                                     ` Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Drew Adams
2020-10-19 16:42                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20  5:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 16:42                                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-19 16:53                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-20  5:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 10:47                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-16  7:05                           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-16 13:23                             ` Philip K.
2020-10-16 18:46                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-17  4:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-15  3:52                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-15  5:57                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12  5:36                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12  5:52                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-12  2:04         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-12  2:04         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-12 15:16       ` Adrien Brochard
2020-10-12 16:55         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-12 17:15         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-13  3:49         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11 20:54     ` Bonface M. K.
2020-10-16 13:30     ` Philip K.
2020-10-19 16:20 ` Philip K.
2020-10-19 19:44   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-20  5:19   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20  8:22     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-20  9:48       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 11:03         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-20 11:38           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 17:43             ` Teemu Likonen
2020-10-26 19:36               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 19:58               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-26 18:13             ` Ivan Yonchovski
2020-10-26 20:21               ` Jean Louis
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2020-08-18 16:13   ` Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Drew Adams
2020-08-18 19:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-18 20:21       ` Drew Adams
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2020-05-16 13:18     ` Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Stefan Kangas
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2020-05-17  2:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-17 11:39         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-08-08  0:28       ` Stefan Kangas
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2020-08-14 15:42         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-14 18:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-08-14 19:00             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-08-14 23:37             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-15  1:28               ` Drew Adams
2020-08-15 12:51                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-15 19:54                   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16  4:13                 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-08-17  3:23                     ` Richard Stallman
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2017-12-18  0:45               ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-25  4:35                 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-25 15:43                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-25 16:03                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-25 16:22                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-25 17:12                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-26  9:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-26 14:34                         ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Richard Stallman
2018-01-26 17:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 12:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-28 13:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29  1:50                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-29  5:56                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-02  2:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  3:05                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-04  3:08                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-04 15:21                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-04 21:27                                             ` Tim Cross
2018-02-05 10:07                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 21:27                                                 ` Tim Cross
2018-02-05  1:08                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05  4:15                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-05 20:36                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-26 19:24                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-26 20:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-28 18:20                               ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-29  1:52                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-10 12:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-11  1:23                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-02-13 21:14                                     ` Stefan's patch to improve package loading (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-14  2:56                                       ` John Wiegley
2018-02-14 23:32                                         ` George Plymale II
2018-03-09  2:54                                           ` Stefan's patch to improve package loading George Plymale II
2018-02-15  4:40                                   ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Radon Rosborough
2018-01-27 20:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-28  6:30                               ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-28  9:33                                 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-01-28 13:21                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 17:32                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-28 22:11                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29  1:08                                       ` T.V Raman
2018-01-29  5:53                                       ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-29  7:21                                         ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 18:54                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 19:19                                           ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 19:55                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29  6:55                                       ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 19:08                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 19:55                                           ` John Wiegley
2018-01-29 21:50                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-29 23:13                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-30  1:37                                               ` T.V Raman
2018-01-29 20:18                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-01-30 15:11                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 22:33                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-01-30 22:56                                                 ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31  3:47                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-31  5:17                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 20:49                                                     ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 21:35                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-31 21:58                                                         ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31 22:06                                                           ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 14:48                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 17:47                                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 19:11                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 19:19                                                                 ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 19:28                                                                   ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 21:44                                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 22:16                                                                     ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-01 23:02                                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  8:43                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:19                                                                           ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 17:57                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 18:06                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 12:19                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2018-02-02 19:20                                                                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-02 22:53                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05  9:17                                                                           ` A response to RMS (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-05 12:55                                                                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-06 23:34                                                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:42                                                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-02-07 20:45                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 20:36                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05 20:36                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 15:06                                                                         ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Sam Steingold
2018-02-02 22:53                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 23:12                                                                         ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-03 19:13                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-03 20:40                                                                           ` Stephen Berman
2018-02-04  3:07                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05  9:26                                                                             ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05  9:22                                                                           ` Finding an online resource for the agreement (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-02  2:14                                                                     ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  7:25                                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  9:39                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:07                                                                         ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 17:59                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 22:56                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-14 22:28                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-14 23:18                                                                           ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  8:39                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:21                                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 18:08                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02  2:12                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  6:15                                                                     ` George Plymale II
2018-02-04  3:07                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05  9:35                                                                         ` Another response to RMS (was Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:37                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:47                                                                             ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  2:13                                                               ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Richard Stallman
2018-02-01 19:24                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-01 21:36                                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  2:08                                                                 ` Tim Landscheidt
2018-02-02 22:53                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  2:17                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  6:26                                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  9:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-02 17:14                                                                     ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 22:56                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-05  9:19                                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-06 23:44                                                                           ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  2:17                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  7:33                                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 18:38                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 19:05                                                                       ` Generations (was: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions?) Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 21:40                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 22:57                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 23:03                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2018-02-02 20:36                                                                     ` Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Phillip Lord
2018-02-02  2:17                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02  7:24                                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02 22:28                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-05  8:21                                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-05 20:36                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-04  3:09                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-02-02 13:37                                                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-02 17:20                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2018-02-05  4:51                                                                 ` Herring, Davis
2018-02-01 19:47                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 22:10                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-02-01 22:44                                                         ` George Plymale II
2018-02-02  1:54                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-02 20:32                                                             ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31  3:51                                                 ` T.V Raman
2018-01-31  5:18                                                   ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31  6:56                                                     ` Tim Cross
2018-01-31  7:07                                                       ` George Plymale II
2018-01-31  8:05                                                       ` John Wiegley
2018-02-01  7:26                                                         ` Tim Cross
2018-02-01 15:00                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-01 16:23                                                           ` T.V Raman
2018-02-03  0:39                                                             ` Tim Cross
2018-02-05  9:24                                                               ` George Plymale II
2018-01-29  1:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-25 17:07                   ` [PATCH] Fixing package-initialize, adding early init file Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 19:42                     ` Radon Rosborough
2018-01-30 15:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 15:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-01  3:12                           ` Mark Oteiza
2018-02-01  4:22                             ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-01 13:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-18  5:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-08  5:54                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-08 15:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 19:30                         ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-10 11:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-10 23:37                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-11  3:26                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-11 14:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-11 13:31                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-15  4:38                         ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-15 15:54                           ` Drew Adams
2018-02-15 16:25                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 19:32                             ` John Wiegley
2018-02-15 21:13                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-16  7:00                                 ` John Wiegley
2018-02-17 11:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-17 14:14                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 18:17                             ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-18 18:26                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-18 18:55                                 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-19  3:10                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-20 19:13                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-20 19:26                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-02-20 20:35                                       ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-21  3:48                                         ` T.V Raman
2018-02-21  8:16                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-21 20:48                                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-02-21 21:26                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-21  3:43                                       ` T.V Raman
2017-10-10 19:03   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-10 19:31     ` Robert Weiner
2017-10-10 19:41       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-13 21:29         ` John Wiegley
2017-10-14  0:49           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-14  5:15             ` João Távora
2017-10-14  6:19               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-10-14  9:04                 ` João Távora
2017-10-14 13:47               ` Stefan Monnier

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