From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: JSON/YAML/TOML/etc. parsing performance
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:41:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAArVCkQwfyFu8tnmFyvo6pF=2ik6VmobV-GEif6fcp+pYNLOqg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Mo., 9. Okt. 2017 um 08:54 Uhr:
> > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:14:18 +0000
> > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > Jansson only accepts UTF-8 strings, and at least in our usage will also
> only hand out UTF-8 strings.
>
> How can we be 100% sure of that? We don't trust any other libraries
> with such high fidelity, we always decode any external data.
>
We also trust glibc's malloc to never return overlapping non-freed blocks,
right? This "trust" isn't different. Of course we can assume that libraries
behave according to their specification.
>
> > It's totally OK to rely on this assumption since all code that's
> involved here is part of the Emacs core, so it can
> > rely on implementation details.
>
> That is in stark contrast with your usual coding style, which tends to
> place checks and assertions where they are not always needed.
I wouldn't mind placing an assertion here as well. An assertion primarily
documents the assumptions made in the code and as a side effect is also
tested in debug builds. It's generally a good idea to add such
documentation.
> Could
> it be that you underestimate the damage that broken non-ASCII byte
> stream can cause Emacs if inserted directly into a buffer or a string?
> Doing so will usually cause Emacs die a horrible death quite soon,
> because code that processes buffer or string text has no defenses
> against such calamities.
>
If and when such a bug happens, we can work around it (after filing a bug
against Jansson). But we can't work around potential bugs in libraries, see
above.
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Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-16 15:54 JSON/YAML/TOML/etc. parsing performance Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-16 16:02 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-17 0:02 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-17 3:13 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-18 0:00 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-17 0:02 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-18 13:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-17 18:46 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-17 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-17 20:27 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-17 22:41 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-18 13:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-09-17 21:17 ` Speed of Elisp (was: JSON/YAML/TOML/etc. parsing performance) Stefan Monnier
2017-09-18 13:26 ` JSON/YAML/TOML/etc. parsing performance Philipp Stephani
2017-09-18 13:58 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-18 14:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-18 14:28 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-18 14:36 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-18 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 16:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-18 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 19:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-09-18 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 15:07 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-09-18 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 16:22 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-18 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-19 19:32 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-18 17:26 ` Glenn Morris
2017-09-18 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 16:08 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 8:18 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-28 21:19 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-28 21:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-29 19:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-30 22:02 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-01 18:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 12:26 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-03 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 15:52 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-03 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 18:37 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-03 20:52 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-04 5:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-04 6:41 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-04 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-04 17:51 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-04 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-04 21:24 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-05 1:48 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-05 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-08 22:52 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-09 5:54 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-29 20:48 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-09 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-05 7:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-06 1:58 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-06 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-06 19:36 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-06 21:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-08 23:09 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-09 6:19 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-29 20:48 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-29 22:49 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-09 23:05 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-10 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 13:26 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-10 13:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-10-08 23:04 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-09 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-08 17:58 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-08 23:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-09 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-29 20:41 ` Philipp Stephani [this message]
2017-10-09 6:22 ` Paul Eggert
2017-10-01 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-03 12:12 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-03 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
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