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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git?
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 20:16:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjb6sved.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 85a937m1q8.fsf@stephe-leake.org

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:42:07 -0600 Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> wrote: 

SL> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

>> By API I meant both directions, the module API for registration and
>> metadata, and the Emacs API that modules can use. So I still think a
>> call-only API (only in the direction of calling the module) is best for
>> now, so that .h file is unnecessary.

SL> In my particular case, this will not be useful; I need to call some
SL> ada-mode elisp functions from a compiled parser.

SL> These elisp functions will not be in any .h file, but I will need the
SL> appropriate "funcall" in that .h file.
...
SL> My module will be setting text properties in buffers, based on the
SL> results of parsing the code; it's replacing elisp code that does that
SL> now, which is too slow.

Got it, thanks for explaining.  Yes, that kind of parser will need
tighter integration.

SL> _if_ the module author wants to be somewhat isolated from Emacs changes,
SL> and/or support more than one Emacs version, then they will want to stick
SL> to some stable subset. But I don't think we can define that subset ahead
SL> of time, and it will certainly be a different subset for each module.

From the Emacs core side, it's not fun to have to support internal
details for years because modules are using them. For instance, that
kind of deep integration is very likely to be a blocker for concurrent
threads of execution in the core.

SL> However, previous posts have identified some C functions that should
SL> _not_ be called by modules, so perhaps we need an "module_anti_api.h"
SL> that #defines those to throw a compilation error.

I don't think maintaining such a list is viable, but I could be wrong.

Ted




  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-02  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 265+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-17 12:46 Network security manager Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 13:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 13:59   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-17 14:04     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:17     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 14:21       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:00       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:06         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 17:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 18:06             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:22         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:04           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 18:55             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:00   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 15:19   ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-17 15:24     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:29       ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 15:38         ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 18:49         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 18:58         ` Rob Browning
2014-11-17 19:07           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-18  8:52             ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-11-18 14:54               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 22:53         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:16           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:26             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:19               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 23:51           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:41             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:57               ` Rasmus
2014-11-18 15:01                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:44                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:48                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:03               ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:10                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:23                   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:30                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:40                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:45                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:49                     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:53                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:17                         ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:28                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:47                     ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:29                         ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:36                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:55                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:02                               ` David Engster
2014-11-19  0:05                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-18 10:12           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 15:10             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:29               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:58                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:15                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:35                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:41                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:00                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:23                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:40                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:57                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:54                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:08                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:13                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:18                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:19                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:26                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:24                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 20:40                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 20:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 23:02                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 23:31                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  8:37                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:17                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:23                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:46                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 21:11                                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  7:39                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:51                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  2:09                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19  3:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 13:40                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 13:51                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:45                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:30                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:36                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 15:47                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:53                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 16:12                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:12                                                             ` EWW buffers Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-19 16:17                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 17:10                                                                 ` bug#19109: eww-setup-buffer: use set-buffer instead of switch-to-buffer Ivan Shmakov
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     [not found]                                                                     ` <87sih9u4pa.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
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2014-11-23 19:35                                                                         ` mailing control@, but requesting that no replies be sent there Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  0:22                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Glenn Morris
2014-11-24  6:50                                                                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  7:13                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-24  5:00                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 22:27                                                               ` EWW buffers Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20  6:47                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-21 12:16                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:56                                                     ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 22:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20 16:22                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-20 23:34                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21  8:10                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21  9:24                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21  9:40                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21 11:12                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21 10:36                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-21 13:30                                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-21 15:05                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21 15:02                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 18:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:41                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:42                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:22                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:36                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:44                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 18:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:09                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found]                     ` <87egt0792y.fsf@echidna.jochen.org>
2014-11-18 17:28                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  4:31                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  5:43                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:44                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:09                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:19                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:41                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:50                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:11                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:16                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  8:46                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:50               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:06                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:10                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:54                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:57                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:18                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  6:03                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:55                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:05                                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:17                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:26                                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:53                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:59                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:23                                             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-23 20:36                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:41                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:24                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:30                                                     ` joakim
2014-11-30 13:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 22:29                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01  3:10                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 14:35                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:33                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19 16:38                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 21:00                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:23                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:45             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:33               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:37                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:37               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:57                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:03                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:22           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:33             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:03           ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-18 17:17             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 17:41               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-22 10:27           ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-17 16:57   ` Romain Francoise
2014-11-17 18:30     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18  8:29       ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-18 15:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 16:01           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:24             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:21               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:25                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:28                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-22  5:24             ` emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git? Stephen Leake
2014-11-22 15:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-22 17:12                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-22 23:28                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-23 10:38                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-24  1:19                     ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-25 10:05                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-26 17:05                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27  2:10                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-27 15:38                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27 15:45                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-29 17:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 17:45                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 14:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 15:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 18:09                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01  0:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01  3:41                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 10:31                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 13:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 14:10                                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 14:47                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 15:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 15:36                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 16:28                                                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 17:05                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 22:46                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-01 17:44                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 19:40                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 20:19                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02 21:22                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 20:40                                                           ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  1:02                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05  2:43                                                               ` Ivan Andrus
2014-12-10  0:53                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 15:49                                                                 ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-11 14:35                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 19:12                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 22:42                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  1:16                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2014-12-02  3:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 16:21                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 13:59                               ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 16:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 22:58                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  3:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03  9:27                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 13:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 17:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02  3:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 17:58                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-02 18:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 10:04                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 10:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-03 21:11                                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 17:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:05                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 16:07 ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 18:58   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 19:37       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:49         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 20:00           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 20:31             ` Óscar Fuentes

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