* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. [not found] ` <20211019121307.A4A79209AA@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> @ 2021-10-19 13:09 ` Michael Albinus 2021-10-19 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) writes: Hi, > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644 > --- a/etc/NEWS > +++ b/etc/NEWS > +++ > ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences. > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode. You can then type > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate > +next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."? Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-19 13:09 ` emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode' Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-10-19 16:52 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-10-19 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: emacs-devel > From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:09:11 +0200 > > eliz@gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) writes: > > Hi, > > > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS > > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644 > > --- a/etc/NEWS > > +++ b/etc/NEWS > > +++ > > ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences. > > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode. You can then type > > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' > > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to > > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate > > +next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is > > I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."? Maybe. But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence, and refilled the rest. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-19 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-10-19 16:52 ` Michael Albinus 2021-10-19 19:04 ` Juri Linkov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: Hi, >> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS >> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644 >> > --- a/etc/NEWS >> > +++ b/etc/NEWS >> > +++ >> > ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences. >> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode. You can then type >> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' >> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to >> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate >> > +next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is >> >> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."? > > Maybe. But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence, > and refilled the rest. I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed. Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-19 16:52 ` Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 19:04 ` Juri Linkov 2021-10-19 19:59 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-19 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel >>> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS >>> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644 >>> > --- a/etc/NEWS >>> > +++ b/etc/NEWS >>> > +++ >>> > ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences. >>> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode. You can then type >>> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' >>> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to >>> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate >>> > +next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is >>> >>> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."? >> >> Maybe. But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence, >> and refilled the rest. > > I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed. This is more wrong than before. 'repeat-mode' can be disabled only explicitly by the user. Whereas any other key exits transient mode enabled by 'set-transient-map'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-19 19:04 ` Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-19 19:59 ` Michael Albinus 2021-10-20 6:49 ` Juri Linkov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes: Hi Juri, >>>> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS >>>> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644 >>>> > --- a/etc/NEWS >>>> > +++ b/etc/NEWS >>>> > +++ >>>> > ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences. >>>> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode. You can then type >>>> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' >>>> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to >>>> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate >>>> > +next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is >>>> >>>> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."? >>> >>> Maybe. But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence, >>> and refilled the rest. >> >> I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed. > > This is more wrong than before. 'repeat-mode' can be disabled only > explicitly by the user. Whereas any other key exits transient mode > enabled by 'set-transient-map'. I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode. You can then type 'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is executed normally. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command? The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled. And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about to exit. (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of the readers of this NEWS file) Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-19 19:59 ` Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-20 6:49 ` Juri Linkov 2021-10-20 7:22 ` Michael Albinus 2021-10-23 23:25 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-20 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel >> This is more wrong than before. 'repeat-mode' can be disabled only >> explicitly by the user. Whereas any other key exits transient mode >> enabled by 'set-transient-map'. > > I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me: > > Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode. You can then type > 'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' > instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to > resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate > next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is > executed normally. > > At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command? > The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled. Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used". > And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like > in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about > to exit. A transient input method is something completely different. > (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of > the readers of this NEWS file) From (info "(elisp) Controlling Active Maps"): -- Function: set-transient-map keymap &optional keep-pred on-exit This function adds KEYMAP as a “transient” keymap, which takes precedence over other keymaps for one (or more) subsequent keys. So maybe "transient mode" should be replaced with "transient keymap"? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-20 6:49 ` Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-20 7:22 ` Michael Albinus 2021-10-23 23:25 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-20 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes: Hi Juri, >>> This is more wrong than before. 'repeat-mode' can be disabled only >>> explicitly by the user. Whereas any other key exits transient mode >>> enabled by 'set-transient-map'. >> >> I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me: >> >> Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode. You can then type >> 'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' >> instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to >> resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate >> next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is >> executed normally. >> >> At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command? >> The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled. > > Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used". Sounds good. >> And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like >> in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about >> to exit. > > A transient input method is something completely different. > >> (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of >> the readers of this NEWS file) > > From (info "(elisp) Controlling Active Maps"): > > -- Function: set-transient-map keymap &optional keep-pred on-exit > This function adds KEYMAP as a “transient” keymap, which takes > precedence over other keymaps for one (or more) subsequent keys. > > So maybe "transient mode" should be replaced with "transient keymap"? As said, I know almost nothing about "transient.*". The term "transient mode" let me thing about a major or minor mode, which seems to be wrong. Anything which prevents me (and others) to do so is fine :-) Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 2021-10-20 6:49 ` Juri Linkov 2021-10-20 7:22 ` Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-23 23:25 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-10-23 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: eliz, michael.albinus, emacs-devel [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used". Could we make it active voice? > next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then > executes normally. We should always use active voice, except when that's hard to do for some reason. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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