From: Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:43:31 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wqhx5t6s.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87mwitwmn5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org
On Sat, Jan 18 2014,David Kastrup wrote:
[snipped 92 lines]
> In the long run, we need to make sure that Emacs remains comprehensible
> to Emacs users. That does not preclude changing keybindings and
> concepts, but getting multiple concurrent warring keybindings and
> concepts sorted by various heuristics is not the way to simplicity.
No offence to the CUA/EVIL developers but don't these 2 modes get in
the way of Emacs mastery as David says. I can understand someone
asking for the vi . (dot command) functionality equivalent in Emacs
but why humour them with modes that are at cross purposes to Emacs
proficiency?
Here, simplicity begets simple users(with no offence to their
intelligence, just Emacs mastery)
sivaram
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2014-01-02 9:53 bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 11:52 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 12:20 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 12:28 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 13:05 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 13:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:15 ` James Cloos
2014-01-02 22:27 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 23:57 ` James Cloos
2014-01-03 0:05 ` James Cloos
2014-01-03 9:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-03 6:15 ` joakim
2014-01-03 9:05 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03 11:11 ` joakim
2014-01-04 2:14 ` Samuel Bronson
2014-01-05 7:11 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-05 16:13 ` "No safeguard against rewriting upstream bzr history" (was: bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move) Joshua Judson Rosen
2014-01-05 18:29 ` "No safeguard against rewriting upstream bzr history" Glenn Morris
2014-01-05 18:38 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2014-01-06 9:00 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-02 12:30 ` bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 13:08 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 15:04 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-02 15:41 ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Karl Fogel
2014-01-02 15:56 ` Bastien
2014-01-02 16:12 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-02 16:29 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-02 17:10 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2014-01-02 18:26 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-02 21:30 ` Mitchel Humpherys
2014-01-02 22:19 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-01-02 16:29 ` Fabián Ezequiel Gallina
2014-01-02 16:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 16:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 16:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 17:14 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 18:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 18:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 18:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-02 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 17:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 18:34 ` Apologia for bzr Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 20:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 20:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 21:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 21:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-02 21:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-02 21:14 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 9:21 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-03 10:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 10:29 ` vc.el support for staging hunks/files João Távora
2014-01-09 17:49 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2014-01-03 20:34 ` Apologia for bzr Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-03 21:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 5:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 10:10 ` Florian Weimer
2020-10-29 7:11 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-30 7:35 ` glossary terms linked Jean Louis
2014-01-03 14:37 ` Apologia for bzr Richard Stallman
2014-01-03 15:21 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04 7:59 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04 8:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04 12:09 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 15:44 ` Tom
2014-01-04 19:00 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 19:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 22:09 ` Apologia for CUA mode Christophe Poncy
2014-01-04 23:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 19:39 ` CUA mode??? Joshua Judson Rosen
2014-01-04 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 23:15 ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-06 1:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-04 20:48 ` Apologia for bzr Tom
2014-01-04 21:55 ` Apologia for CUA mode (was: Apologia for bzr) Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 10:03 ` Apologia for bzr Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 11:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-05 18:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 14:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 15:27 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-05 15:56 ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-01-05 20:20 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 20:35 ` Gabriel Beauchamp
2014-01-06 4:07 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-05 20:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 21:31 ` Tom
2014-01-06 14:00 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 14:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-06 15:14 ` John Yates
2014-01-06 20:27 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 20:32 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-06 23:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-06 23:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 0:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 8:27 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-07 6:05 ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-07 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-07 0:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 6:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-07 7:30 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Drew Adams
2014-01-07 10:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 18:05 ` Joel Mccracken
2014-01-07 19:06 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 19:56 ` David Reitter
2014-01-07 20:31 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 20:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-10 2:12 ` David Reitter
2014-01-10 19:10 ` Tom
2014-01-07 19:37 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 19:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 22:24 ` Great Old One? Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 1:20 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-08 17:24 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2014-01-08 2:19 ` Jay Belanger
2014-01-08 4:55 ` Joel Mccracken
2014-01-08 3:41 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Richard Stallman
2014-01-08 4:14 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-07 11:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07 11:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 12:13 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-07 14:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-07 14:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-07 10:30 ` Apologia for bzr Jose E. Marchesi
2014-01-09 14:10 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 14:48 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Drew Adams
2014-01-09 15:21 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:27 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 17:42 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 19:11 ` Tom
2014-01-09 19:38 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-10 18:10 ` Davis Herring
2014-01-10 18:12 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 22:24 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-10 14:37 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-17 23:13 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-17 23:38 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 0:11 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Glenn Morris
2014-01-18 1:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 1:59 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18 2:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 3:02 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 8:53 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-18 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 8:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 11:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 8:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 12:34 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-18 8:28 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-18 8:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 10:02 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 11:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-18 11:32 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 13:13 ` Sivaram Neelakantan [this message]
2014-01-18 16:24 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-18 17:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-18 18:55 ` Sven Axelsson
2014-01-18 19:10 ` Tom
2014-01-18 20:57 ` chad
2014-01-18 17:22 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Tom
2014-01-18 16:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-18 17:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-19 0:59 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20 3:01 ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-19 12:10 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Richard Stallman
2014-01-19 12:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-20 12:22 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-20 14:06 ` New tutorial (was: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]) Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20 15:24 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-20 16:54 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Glenn Morris
2014-01-20 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-21 11:39 ` New tutorial (was: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]) Phillip Lord
2014-01-21 11:19 ` Emacs terminology (not again!?) Phillip Lord
2014-01-07 6:22 ` Apologia for bzr Christophe Poncy
2014-01-07 6:41 ` joakim
2014-01-06 20:27 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-07 6:03 ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-06 14:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 5:58 ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 20:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-05 21:58 ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-05 22:13 ` chad
2014-01-05 22:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 23:01 ` chad
2014-01-06 2:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-05 22:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 14:09 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2014-01-06 14:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 6:00 ` Christophe Poncy
2014-01-05 23:41 ` James Cloos
2014-01-06 0:27 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-06 0:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-06 0:45 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 1:52 ` Eric Brown
2014-01-06 2:08 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 4:27 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-06 7:18 ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-06 7:32 ` chad
2014-01-06 15:40 ` James Cloos
2014-01-06 18:47 ` Eric Brown
2014-01-09 20:30 ` Rogerio Senna
2014-01-09 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-03 9:44 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 10:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 10:56 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-03 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:49 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-03 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 13:49 ` Leo Liu
2014-01-03 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 17:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 19:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 20:27 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-03 20:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-03 20:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 2:00 ` Josh
2014-01-03 17:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 17:56 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 18:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 18:21 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 19:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 20:17 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-04 10:01 ` David Engster
2014-01-04 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 19:19 ` chad
2014-01-03 18:05 ` David Engster
2014-01-04 13:08 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 16:57 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 20:02 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-03 20:13 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 20:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 21:10 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-02 18:40 ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 20:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 21:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 7:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 16:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 21:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 21:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 17:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 20:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-04 21:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 21:00 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2014-01-03 21:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-02 18:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-03 17:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-02 19:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 19:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-02 21:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 21:53 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2014-01-02 22:59 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-03 2:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 6:33 ` joakim
2014-01-03 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 11:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 13:01 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 13:46 ` David Engster
2014-01-03 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 15:19 ` Tom
2014-01-03 16:18 ` David Engster
2014-01-03 17:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:24 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 17:32 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-03 14:36 ` Antonio Nikishaev
2014-01-03 20:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 4:49 ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-03 17:22 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-03 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 17:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 17:25 ` Karl Fogel
2014-01-02 22:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-03 17:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 17:50 ` David Engster
2014-01-02 17:17 ` Christoph
2014-01-02 18:05 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-02 19:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-02 20:49 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02 22:54 ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-02 23:32 ` Xue Fuqiao
2014-01-02 23:55 ` Stephen Eglen
2014-01-03 5:27 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-03 7:39 ` Michael Albinus
2014-01-03 9:07 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-03 9:19 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 9:17 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 9:35 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03 9:53 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-03 10:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 17:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-03 10:05 ` Bastien
2014-01-03 10:08 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-03 9:31 ` Generating ChangeLog files Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-03 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 18:09 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-03 18:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-03 20:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 3:49 ` Kenichi Handa
2014-01-04 4:28 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05 5:57 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 14:48 ` PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 9:42 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 12:49 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 12:58 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:15 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 13:20 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 20:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 10:14 ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-03 17:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04 8:00 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04 9:44 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 9:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-04 9:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-04 11:31 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-04 13:01 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 13:11 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 13:15 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-04 13:27 ` Bastien
2014-01-09 14:34 ` Per Starbäck
2014-01-09 14:49 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 16:56 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-04 13:07 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 20:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-04 20:12 ` Jarek Czekalski
2014-01-04 20:37 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 20:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-04 21:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 21:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-05 2:17 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-01-05 5:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 8:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-04 20:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 20:22 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-04 21:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 8:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 16:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 3:40 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-05 17:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 3:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06 4:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 7:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06 14:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 20:20 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 23:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 0:26 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-06 3:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 3:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-06 6:58 ` Bastien
2014-01-04 10:29 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-05 10:25 ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-05 20:23 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-05 20:43 ` Florian Weimer
2014-01-06 14:00 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-06 14:53 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 17:57 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2014-01-06 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-06 18:07 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-06 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 19:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 20:24 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-02 16:12 ` bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-02 17:53 ` Sam Steingold
2014-01-02 18:03 ` Samuel El-Borai
2014-01-03 20:03 ` David Reitter
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2014-01-18 16:38 Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] grischka
2014-01-18 17:26 ` David Kastrup
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