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From: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?"
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:36:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8rhpeym.fsf@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mu72ckjr.fsf@gnu.org>


On Thu, Apr 23 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Actually, it's crucial to mention that. You might say it's 
>> Org's 
>> raison d'être. It's what makes integrating all of Org's 
>> functions 
>> so tightly possible.
>
> If features are well integrated and work together well, how is 
> it
> important to know that they do it because of a certain way of
> formatting text?

Because the user has to format that text. :-) Sure, there are 
helper functions for a lot of things, but as a user you do need to 
know the Org format.

>> But at the same time it should be made clear from the outset 
>> that 
>> Org's strength lies in its integration. I mean, I could use 
>> Markdown with Pandoc to write my papers, *cough* Google 
>> Calendar 
>> *cough* to keep track of my appointments, Jupyter for keeping 
>> programming notebooks and *cough* Evernote *cough* to keep 
>> notes, 
>> but there would be no way to link all of that. With Org, there 
>> is.
>
> You are actually describe the strength of Emacs as an integrated
> package whose parts work well with one another.  And yet we have
> separate manuals for major parts: Gnus, Org, Eshell, etc. -- 
> just look
> inside doc/misc/.

Yes, but it's a different level of integration. I need a decent 
working knowledge of Elisp to be able to integrate Gnus and 
Eshell. But I only need to know Org syntax in order to integrate 
my TODO list, task management and writing with my calendar. The 
point is, I need to know Org syntax anyway to do each single thing 
separately. Integrating them doesn't require a deeper level of 
knowledge than I already have.

> IOW, I don't see a contradiction here.

I'm not saying there's a contradiction. If that's how I came 
across, then I didn't make my point very well. Like I said, I 
think the Org documentation would benefit greatly if your 
suggestions were implemented. It's just that the fact that Org's 
different parts are tightly integrated should not be tucked away 
in some "Advanced Use" section of the manual.

-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments



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2020-04-16 14:58         ` "Why is emacs so square?" Drew Adams
2020-04-16 15:34           ` Joseph Garvin
2020-04-16 15:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:29             ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-04-17 22:05             ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-18  6:47               ` martin rudalics
2020-04-18  7:07                 ` ndame
2020-04-18 23:02               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-18 23:13                 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-19  0:42                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  2:10                     ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-19  2:28                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  4:48                     ` ndame
2020-04-19  5:37                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  5:43                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 12:59                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 22:53                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 23:34                               ` Bob Newell
2020-04-20  4:34                                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  5:12                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-21  1:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19 23:39                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20  0:12                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-20  4:35                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:27                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  8:48                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-24  9:10                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 15:48                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-24 16:31                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27 12:30                                       ` Improved welcome screen Stefan Kangas
2020-04-27 17:58                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27 19:07                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-27 19:13                                             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 19:32                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28  2:49                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-28  7:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-28  9:49                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-28 12:32                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28 13:08                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27 18:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-27 18:48                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27 19:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-27 21:29                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-28  6:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-28  7:59                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28 13:20                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-28 18:28                                                     ` chad
2020-04-28 23:14                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-29  3:28                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 18:49                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-27 20:02                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 20:35                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-28 12:12                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2020-04-28 12:34                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-10 19:22                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-10 21:26                                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-11 13:24                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-11 22:59                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-12  0:03                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-12  6:55                                               ` Colin Baxter
2020-05-14  5:04                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  2:19                             ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  3:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-20  5:07                                 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-20 13:49                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15 19:27                                   ` Steinar Bang
2020-06-04  3:26                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-04  9:16                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-04 21:50                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-05 16:37                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06 23:30                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07  0:33                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-07 10:16                                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07  3:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07  7:51                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-07  9:10                                                 ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-08  3:31                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-07 11:59                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-07 15:32                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07 22:31                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07 18:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07 18:26                                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-07 22:31                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07 23:24                                                   ` andres.ramirez
2020-06-07 23:24                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-10 12:43                                               ` Tab-bar autoclose question Ergus
2020-06-10 21:55                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-11  9:50                                                   ` Ergus
2020-07-12  0:08                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-05  3:12                                         ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-06-05 10:48                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-06-06  3:57                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06 13:44                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-07  3:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-07 14:52                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 13:01                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 14:00                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 14:57                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 15:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 16:15                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-05 17:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 12:49                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06  3:56                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06  6:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 15:27                                           ` Bob Newell
2020-06-05 21:54                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06  4:07                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06  6:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-07  8:03                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07 14:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-07 21:57                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07 22:03                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-08  5:41                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-08  3:31                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  1:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  7:01                                   ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-22  3:17                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  9:12                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-22 14:25                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23  2:36                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-23  8:41                                             ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-23 15:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  6:36                                                 ` Joost Kremers [this message]
2020-04-24 10:14                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 10:28                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 11:14                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 19:41                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2020-04-24 10:36                                                     ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-24 11:17                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-17  3:36                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-17  3:46                                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-24  2:37                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  8:47                                                 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-24  9:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 11:25                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-25  3:35                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-23 14:43                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  2:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24 10:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 11:34                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:09                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:23                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:39                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-23 12:33                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-23  2:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  4:48                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:32                         ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  6:39                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:41                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:04                             ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  7:13                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:45                                 ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  7:55                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:59                                     ` ndame
2020-04-19  8:14                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:16                                         ` ndame
2020-04-19 12:07                                     ` 조성빈
2020-04-19 12:16                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  2:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  4:30                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  1:50                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  2:11                                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-22  3:19                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  4:36                                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 17:00                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-23 12:27                                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 15:23                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26  4:13                                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-24  2:34                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  2:50                                                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-24  9:13                                                       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-25  3:36                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  6:46                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-26  3:24                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  9:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19  6:52                         ` ndame
2020-04-19 13:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19  2:33                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  3:05                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-19  3:38                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  4:55                   ` ndame
2020-04-19  6:14                     ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:54                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-19  7:22                         ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:05                       ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") 조성빈
2020-04-19  8:12                         ` ndame
2020-04-19  8:21                           ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:25                             ` ndame
2020-04-19  9:30                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 22:44                               ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-20  0:36                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-20  3:32                                   ` Tim Cross
2020-04-20  9:54                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:50                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21  8:52                                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:57                                         ` Simen Heggestøyl
2020-04-21 15:36                                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22  3:14                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  4:33                                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-23  6:33                                               ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 10:14                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 14:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 17:07                                                   ` Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: " Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 23:45                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-24  0:51                                                       ` chad
2020-04-24  2:02                                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-24  9:02                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  5:26                                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-25 15:31                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 11:57                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-26 12:17                                                         ` Stephen Berman
2020-04-26 12:52                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-13 11:59                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 12:50                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 13:41                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 14:16                                                         ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 14:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 14:23                                                             ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 14:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 14:57                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 15:02                                                                 ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 15:08                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 15:05                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-06-13 15:10                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 15:18                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2020-06-14 22:11                                                                       ` git-send-email (was: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs?) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15  2:37                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15  6:59                                                                           ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15  8:12                                                                             ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15  9:10                                                                               ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 13:22                                                                                 ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15 14:07                                                                                   ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 14:15                                                                                     ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15 14:16                                                                                       ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 14:25                                                                                         ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15  8:23                                                                           ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 14:42                                                                             ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 15:38                                                                               ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 17:12                                                                                 ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 17:59                                                                                   ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 18:08                                                                                     ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 18:51                                                                                       ` git-send-email Paul Eggert
2020-06-15 18:59                                                                                         ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 19:06                                                                                           ` git-send-email Paul Eggert
2020-06-22 10:17                                                                                       ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-13 14:35                                                       ` Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-13 19:23                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 19:31                                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 20:24                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 20:30                                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 20:52                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 21:00                                                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 21:24                                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 19:33                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 22:09                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-13 23:00                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 23:23                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-14 10:00                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 19:38                                                         ` João Távora
2020-06-13 20:30                                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-14 10:41                                                             ` João Távora
2020-06-18 17:49                                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-18 22:34                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-19 11:48                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 13:07                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 14:02                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 15:41                                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 16:10                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 18:04                                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 18:43                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 21:31                                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 22:25                                                                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  2:35                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-21  5:08                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-21  8:58                                                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  9:00                                                                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  1:37                                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-06-21 13:49                                                                                   ` João Távora
2020-06-21 15:36                                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 20:57                                                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-20 21:35                                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-17  3:58                                                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-17  8:58                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-04-20  4:53                                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  6:08                                   ` 조성빈
2020-04-20  9:53                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:07                                       ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 15:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21  2:06                                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  4:42                                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:55                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  3:14                                                 ` How to poll the users Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  4:31                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25  3:37                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  4:09                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 15:35                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 15:44                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 16:15                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-25 16:46                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:25                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 16:22                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:18                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25 16:20                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 16:29                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 16:54                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 16:57                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 17:16                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 15:36                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26  3:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:21                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26  3:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 13:23                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:19                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:30                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:56                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26 17:27                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 17:44                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26 18:35                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:42                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28  2:44                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28  3:12                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  3:18                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-28  3:06                                                                 ` Sacha Chua
2020-04-22  4:41                                                 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-22  8:13                                                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-04-22  3:19                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 11:33                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  7:04                                             ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 14:20                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 14:56                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 15:32                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 16:09                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-27 16:43                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20 14:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 12:43                                   ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-21 14:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22  1:35                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  3:26                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30  7:49                                           ` "Themes" shipping configuration - an unusual convention Stefan Kangas
2020-04-30 12:21                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 14:48                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-06-13 16:30                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-04-22 13:22                                         ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:46                                           ` chad
2020-04-22 22:52                                             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-23  0:12                                               ` chad
2020-04-23  0:49                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 17:55                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19 19:14                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19 22:50                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:16                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 23:50                   ` "Why is emacs so square?" Stefan Kangas
2020-04-19  2:19             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 15:42           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-16 16:33             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19  2:19             ` Richard Stallman
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2020-04-25 15:42                                               ` Drew Adams
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2020-04-24 16:38 ndame
2020-04-24 17:57 ` 조성빈
2020-04-24 18:02   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-24 18:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 18:28     ` Drew Adams
2020-04-24 18:42       ` chad
2020-04-24 18:53         ` ndame
2020-04-24 19:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 22:52             ` chad
2020-04-25  7:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 19:08         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-24 19:22         ` ndame
2020-04-24 19:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 18:40     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-24 19:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 21:57         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 16:28   ` ndame
2020-04-25 20:45     ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-26 23:15       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26  3:20   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 11:16 ndame
2020-04-16 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15  4:49 ndame
2020-04-14 15:06 ndame
2020-04-15  3:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15  4:33   ` ndame
2020-04-15  4:39   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-15  4:54     ` ndame
2020-04-15  4:56     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16  2:30     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16  5:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:27         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:26           ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-04-16 18:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:54             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16 17:32         ` Bob Newell
2020-05-14  2:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 15:53           ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16  5:02     ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-16 21:31     ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-15  6:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 14:17     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 14:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 16:34         ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 10:14           ` Alex Bennée
2020-04-16 10:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:26               ` Closing displays GTK+ bug (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 16:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  2:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-17  9:20                     ` Closing displays GTK+ bug Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-18  2:07                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 20:36                 ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient [Was: Closing displays GTK+ bug] Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16 21:57                   ` James Cloos
2020-04-17 16:06                     ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-18  9:45                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 17:20                         ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-19 13:13                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-10 10:11                   ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-12  6:57                     ` long-standing GTK bug (was: Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient) andres.ramirez
2020-05-12  7:57                       ` long-standing GTK bug Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 11:40                         ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 22:05                           ` Adam Porter
2020-06-09  2:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-09 14:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-10  0:53                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-10 14:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-08 11:51                                   ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-09 10:27                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-09 15:11                                       ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10  9:16                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 10:00                                           ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 12:50                                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 13:10                                               ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 14:13                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-05-10 14:40                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-10 14:45                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 15:00                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-11  9:09                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10  2:23                                     ` 황병희
2022-03-01 21:23                           ` Adam Sjøgren
2022-03-02 14:12                             ` Po Lu
2022-03-03  6:55                               ` Madhu
2022-03-03  7:21                                 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03  9:43                                   ` Madhu
2022-03-03 10:11                                     ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 12:06                                       ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 15:31                                           ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:22                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-03-03 13:30                                           ` Po Lu
2022-03-04 15:21                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2024-04-09  5:07                   ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-04-16 23:23               ` "Why is emacs so square?" chad
2020-04-18  2:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  7:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 22:14                   ` chad
2020-04-21  8:43                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  8:44                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-15 17:15         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 20:08           ` chad
2020-04-15 20:44             ` ndame
2020-04-16  5:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16  6:00                 ` ndame
2020-04-16 14:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 15:52                     ` ndame
2020-04-16 16:25                       ` ndame
2020-04-17  2:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 19:14                     ` ndame
2020-04-16 19:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:33                         ` ndame
2020-04-16 20:04                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-16 20:30                           ` ndame
2020-04-17  7:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  7:28                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-17 10:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 23:54                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 13:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 14:05                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 14:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 15:17                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-24  3:25                                             ` message-mode toolbars, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30  4:27                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 18:26                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 23:57                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01  6:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 22:16                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 22:44                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11  1:37                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:14                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:55                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:04                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 17:06                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 17:19                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:34                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 18:09                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:07                                                   ` chad
2020-04-22 18:24                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:45                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  9:42                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 15:04                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 21:46                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 20:36                                                   ` Alan Third
2020-04-23 17:10                                               ` Juan José García-Ripoll
2020-04-22 17:32                                             ` chad
2020-04-22 16:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 16:29                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-22 18:02                                               ` Iñigo Serna
2020-04-22 18:05                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-23 12:36                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-17  7:36                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-17  9:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  8:50                               ` ndame
2020-04-17  9:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 16:08                                   ` ndame
2020-04-18  2:04                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  9:53                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 16:20                                         ` ndame
2020-04-19  6:02                                           ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:52                                             ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:04                                             ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") ndame
2020-04-19  7:06                                               ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:14                                                 ` ndame
2020-04-19  7:20                                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:56                                                     ` ndame
2020-04-19  7:58                                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  2:20                                         ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-04-19  2:33                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:20                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20  2:18                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20 14:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21  1:52                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  4:40                                                   ` ndame
2020-04-22  3:17                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  2:04                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15 22:11       ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15  3:35 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15  3:44   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-15  6:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 13:57     ` Tim Cross
2020-04-15 14:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 17:03         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 17:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:11             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:51                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 19:52                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17  7:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 13:43                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 14:13                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 14:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:27                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 15:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:52                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:40                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 18:36                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 18:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 19:31                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 20:14                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 20:57                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-15 14:11       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-04-15  4:14 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-15 22:09 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber

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