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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247669 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 23 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Actually, it's crucial to mention that. You might say it's=20 >> Org's=20 >> raison d'=C3=AAtre. It's what makes integrating all of Org's=20 >> functions=20 >> so tightly possible. > > If features are well integrated and work together well, how is=20 > it > important to know that they do it because of a certain way of > formatting text? Because the user has to format that text. :-) Sure, there are=20 helper functions for a lot of things, but as a user you do need to=20 know the Org format. >> But at the same time it should be made clear from the outset=20 >> that=20 >> Org's strength lies in its integration. I mean, I could use=20 >> Markdown with Pandoc to write my papers, *cough* Google=20 >> Calendar=20 >> *cough* to keep track of my appointments, Jupyter for keeping=20 >> programming notebooks and *cough* Evernote *cough* to keep=20 >> notes,=20 >> but there would be no way to link all of that. With Org, there=20 >> is. > > You are actually describe the strength of Emacs as an integrated > package whose parts work well with one another. And yet we have > separate manuals for major parts: Gnus, Org, Eshell, etc. --=20 > just look > inside doc/misc/. Yes, but it's a different level of integration. I need a decent=20 working knowledge of Elisp to be able to integrate Gnus and=20 Eshell. But I only need to know Org syntax in order to integrate=20 my TODO list, task management and writing with my calendar. The=20 point is, I need to know Org syntax anyway to do each single thing=20 separately. Integrating them doesn't require a deeper level of=20 knowledge than I already have. > IOW, I don't see a contradiction here. I'm not saying there's a contradiction. If that's how I came=20 across, then I didn't make my point very well. Like I said, I=20 think the Org documentation would benefit greatly if your=20 suggestions were implemented. It's just that the fact that Org's=20 different parts are tightly integrated should not be tucked away=20 in some "Advanced Use" section of the manual. --=20 Joost Kremers Life has its moments