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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Smarter M-x that filters on major-mode
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:01:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h7meqxrg.fsf@tcd.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875z2ubhwt.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:53:06 +0100")

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie> writes:
>
>> Yes, but a lexical-binding cookie makes no difference in Emacs 23,
>> whereas (interactive nil foo-mode) would be an error.
>
> The code you load in Emacs 23 that's written for lexical binding often
> won't work, though.  (I.e., if the code uses closures.)  So it's not
> backwards compatible, just as code that uses "new" macros like
> `with-current-buffer' isn't.

But 'declare' isn't a new macro, and lexical-binding is just a
file-local variable.  I'm not referring to business logic, but Elisp
infrastructure.

> Emacs Lisp develops, and newer versions aren't backwards-compatible.
> That's just how it is.  If you're maintaining code that's out of tree,
> you have to avoid using the newest features.  There's nothing special
> about the new `interactive' signature in that respect.  (And as Stefan K
> shows, if you still want to use it in an in/out-of-tree package, he's
> written a compat macro for that.)

The special thing about the new interactive spec is that, while it
itself is backward incompatible, it has an equivalent
(declare (modes ...)) form that is backward compatible.  So why not push
only the less intrusive and more flexible of the two?

I find that a far more appealing approach than using a compatibility
macro for something as fundamental as a command's interactive spec.

But that's just me,

-- 
Basil



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-14 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-09 12:30 Experimentally unbind M-o on the trunk Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 14:51   ` Jean Louis
2021-02-10  8:44 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:57   ` Tassilo Horn
2021-02-10 14:54   ` Jean Louis
2021-02-10 15:12     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:19           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 19:17           ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-10 16:56         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-10 17:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 18:02             ` andrés ramírez
2021-02-10 17:58           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11  5:27           ` Jean Louis
2021-02-10 19:10         ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-10 19:16           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11  2:50             ` Smarter M-x that filters on major-mode Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11  3:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11  5:02                 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-11  6:15                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11  6:11                 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11  8:58                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 11:00                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 13:46                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 14:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 15:04                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 16:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 16:13                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 16:14                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 19:09                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-11 19:52                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 20:39                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-11 21:08                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 22:22                                     ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-02-12  9:32                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 16:18                                         ` jao
2021-02-12 17:05                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-12 17:58                                             ` jao
2021-02-12 17:36                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 17:57                                             ` jao
2021-02-12 18:12                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-12 18:16                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 23:58                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-13  0:14                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13  0:47                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-13  2:26                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-02-13  3:18                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 11:33                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:28                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:30                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14  2:40                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14  4:30                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 23:30                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-02-14 23:36                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 13:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 14:20                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 14:23                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 14:32                                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 14:45                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-15 18:16                                                           ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-14 15:00                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 15:03                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 16:11                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:49                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 23:33                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-15 15:15                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 17:07                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:57                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 17:10                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 17:59                                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 18:02                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 18:44                                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 18:53                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 19:01                                                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios [this message]
2021-02-15  2:59                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-15  5:25                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-15 12:34                                                                           ` Eric S Fraga
2021-02-14 16:15                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 16:55                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 17:43                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-14 18:00                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 23:30                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 23:30                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15  2:49                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-15  3:09                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 15:20                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:22                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 17:37                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 11:48                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 14:38                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 15:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 17:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 17:43                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 18:57                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 21:12                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11 23:21                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12  8:59                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 13:39                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 11:43                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12  9:59                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:29                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:47                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 11:19                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 13:40                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-13 11:44                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-11  8:40               ` tomas
2021-02-11 15:56                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 19:03                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-11 20:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 20:11                     ` tomas
2021-02-11 20:12                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12  7:06                 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-11  8:53               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 16:39               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-12 17:20                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-12 17:56                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-11  4:55           ` Experimentally unbind M-o on the trunk Yuri Khan
2021-02-11  5:15             ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-11  6:29               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 14:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 15:46               ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-11 16:08               ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-11 16:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 17:28                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 19:03                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 19:31                       ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 17:53                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-11 18:06                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 19:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 20:32                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-11 20:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12  4:38                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-12  7:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 18:07                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-11 19:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11  5:15         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-11 14:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 18:55             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-11 19:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 20:20                 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-11 20:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 15:14   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 14:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-10 16:37   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:19     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-10 17:55     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-02-10 18:29       ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11  5:07     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-11  6:18       ` Drew Adams
2021-02-12  6:54         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 17:35           ` Drew Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-02-14 23:54 Smarter M-x that filters on major-mode Boruch Baum

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