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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: DSO-style FFI
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:31:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eh7iogcv.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvbo2uqqa7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 14:55:26 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> wrote: 

>> The problems I see are A) that it would be trivial to use such an
>> interface to crash or subvert emacs from elisp,

SM> This is a fundamental property of anything that lets gives access to
SM> "any" library.  DSO or FFI is in the same boat.  IOW, if we really
SM> consider it as too dangerous, then we can't provide anything related to
SM> an FFI or dynamic loading of code.

This is where package signing becomes important.  We can require two
signatures from two separate reviewers for high-risk packages.

>> and B) that such a binding will allow people to write non-free
>> extensions to Emacs in just the way that RMS has specifically stated
>> that he would like to avoid.

SM> Presumably we can prevent it by checking (before loading the library)
SM> that the library is compatible with the GPL (following the scheme
SM> designed originally for gcc).

This can be declared by the author in the packaging.  Do we need to spend
time on an elaborate scheme that can be trivially subverted?  Or are
there other concerns I'm not getting?

Ted




  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-18 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-06  9:15 GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1 Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06  9:58 ` bignum support in Emacs with libgmp (was: GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1) Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06 16:09 ` GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1 Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-06 21:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-06 16:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-06 16:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-06 21:19   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07  4:02     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 11:41       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07 22:03         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-07 22:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 23:43             ` Emacs crypto use cases (was: GNU Emacs-libnettle-libhogweed integration patch v1) Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08  3:02               ` Emacs crypto use cases Stefan Monnier
2013-10-08 10:33                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08 13:17                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-08 16:35                   ` DSO-style FFI (was: Emacs crypto use cases) Stefan Monnier
2013-10-08 17:32                     ` DSO-style FFI Tom Tromey
2013-10-08 19:42                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-08 20:43                         ` Tom Tromey
2013-10-09 23:21                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-10  8:09                             ` Andreas Schwab
2013-10-08 20:47                         ` Davis Herring
2013-10-09 22:26                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-09 23:52                             ` Davis Herring
2013-10-10  1:25                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-10  4:36                                 ` DSO-style DSOs (this is NOT an FFI!) Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-09  1:48                       ` DSO-style FFI Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-09  2:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 15:34                         ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-10-12 18:55                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 13:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2013-10-19 14:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 15:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 17:33                               ` Andy Moreton
2013-10-19 19:44                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-12 23:36                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-08 19:50                     ` Ted Zlatanov

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