unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: shr using `make-xwidget' incorrectly
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:10:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a6ibz38z.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o86rb88a.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 11 Nov 2021 05:56:53 +0100")

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> The same is true for overlays -- you can use `overlays-in' to find all
> the overlays in the buffer, even if they aren't otherwise available.  I
> think modelling xwidget behaviour on overlays makes a lot of sense from
> an UI point of view.

Hmm, I will try to think of a reasonable way to implement this.  But
IMO, it should be optional -- the existing behavior makes sense for many
use-cases.

> I'm not sure what you mean here.  Are you saying that a widget in a
> buffer might just spontaneously disappear?

No, that killing a widget might take an unreasonable amount of time and
be surprising to be implemented like evaporating overlays are.

Imagine if the erasure of a few characters took upwards of 1 second,
deleting dozens of on-disk cache files.  That is a situation that might
result from implementing evaporation of xwidgets like with overlays.

> I don't think the functions that use xwidgets should have to know about
> any of this stuff.  Imagine if you'd have to jump through these hoops to
> display images?

Better comparison: imagine if `struct image' was a Lisp object (and not
an internal structure created on the basis of an image spec), held tens
of megabytes of memory, a lot of non-replicable state, an entire
language interpreter, and control over many cache files on-disk.

Then would it still be reasonable to delete `struct image's as part of
some routine pruning operation such as flushing the image cache, or the
erasure of a few characters in a buffer?  I think not.

Thanks.  But I will try my best to find an acceptable solution to this
problem.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11  5:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87sfw31mok.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2021-11-11  1:54 ` shr using `make-xwidget' incorrectly Po Lu
2021-11-11  3:26   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11  3:38     ` Po Lu
2021-11-11  3:41       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11  3:43         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11  4:46         ` Po Lu
2021-11-11  4:56           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11  5:10             ` Po Lu [this message]
2021-11-11 12:33               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11 12:37                 ` Po Lu
2021-11-11 12:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11 12:47                     ` Po Lu
2021-11-11  6:37     ` Introduce "killed" state for xwidgets (Re: shr using `make-xwidget' incorrectly) Po Lu
2021-11-11  7:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11  9:28         ` Po Lu
2021-11-11 12:23       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11 12:25         ` Po Lu
2021-11-11 15:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-12  0:18             ` Po Lu
2021-11-11  6:58   ` shr using `make-xwidget' incorrectly Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11  7:05     ` Po Lu
2021-11-11  8:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11  9:27         ` Po Lu

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87a6ibz38z.fsf@yahoo.com \
    --to=luangruo@yahoo.com \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=larsi@gnus.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).