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* autoload cookies for defcustoms
@ 2010-01-23 18:31 Drew Adams
  2010-01-23 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman
  2010-01-25  2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2010-01-23 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

Just curious. Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with Emacs, about
using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, what is it?

Looking through the code, it seems that most defcustoms are not autoloaded, but
some are. And in the same library some might be and others not.

Some use `purecopy' for their values, so I guess it makes sense to autoload
those. But it's not clear which came first, the cookie or the decision to use
`purecopy'. 

If, in some library, only the options that use `purecopy' are autoloaded,
doesn't that give a misleading impression to users of `C-h v'? They see only the
`purecopy' ones (before loading), which aren't necessarily the most important to
know about.

IOW, are there two conflicting criteria for autoloading an option: (1) its
importance or frequency of use or the need for users to know about it before
loading vs (2) the purely technical (implementation) criterion of its use of
`purecopy'. Shouldn't the only criterion be use- and user-centered (i.e., #1)?

Some options that do not use `purecopy' are nevertheless autoloaded. And some
that do use `purecopy' do not have an autoload cookie - e.g.,
`epa-file-name-regexp', `automount-dir-prefix', `directory-free-space-program',
`search-whitespace-regexp', `jka-compr-load-suffixes', `rmail-file-name',
`site-run-file', `initial-scratch-message', `vc-directory-exclusion-list',
`adaptive-fill-regexp', `adaptive-fill-first-line-regexp'. (Is that wrong, or
are all of those libraries always preloaded?)

If there is no general policy, and this is decided individually for each
defcustom, then just what considerations affect the judgment? And why is there
such variability among libraries?

The same question could apply to command definitions, but there there doesn't
seem to be such a difference among libraries for them. Most commands seem to
have autoload cookies (just as most options do not), and I'm guessing that those
commands that do not are considered to be less often used.





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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-23 18:31 autoload cookies for defcustoms Drew Adams
@ 2010-01-23 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman
  2010-01-23 20:38   ` Drew Adams
  2010-01-25  2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Borgman @ 2010-01-23 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Emacs-Devel devel

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> Just curious. Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with Emacs, about
> using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, what is it?


We had a discussion about that in November:

  http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg00504.html

The conclusion there was that all defcustoms (~7000) can't be
autoloaded but that we can probably set it up so that completion of
options knows all option names (and maybe apropos can know about them
too).

But we did not finish that. I think I have some more things to test
there, but anyone who want to join is of course wellcome.


> Looking through the code, it seems that most defcustoms are not autoloaded, but
> some are. And in the same library some might be and others not.
>
> Some use `purecopy' for their values, so I guess it makes sense to autoload
> those. But it's not clear which came first, the cookie or the decision to use
> `purecopy'.
>
> If, in some library, only the options that use `purecopy' are autoloaded,
> doesn't that give a misleading impression to users of `C-h v'? They see only the
> `purecopy' ones (before loading), which aren't necessarily the most important to
> know about.
>
> IOW, are there two conflicting criteria for autoloading an option: (1) its
> importance or frequency of use or the need for users to know about it before
> loading vs (2) the purely technical (implementation) criterion of its use of
> `purecopy'. Shouldn't the only criterion be use- and user-centered (i.e., #1)?
>
> Some options that do not use `purecopy' are nevertheless autoloaded. And some
> that do use `purecopy' do not have an autoload cookie - e.g.,
> `epa-file-name-regexp', `automount-dir-prefix', `directory-free-space-program',
> `search-whitespace-regexp', `jka-compr-load-suffixes', `rmail-file-name',
> `site-run-file', `initial-scratch-message', `vc-directory-exclusion-list',
> `adaptive-fill-regexp', `adaptive-fill-first-line-regexp'. (Is that wrong, or
> are all of those libraries always preloaded?)
>
> If there is no general policy, and this is decided individually for each
> defcustom, then just what considerations affect the judgment? And why is there
> such variability among libraries?
>
> The same question could apply to command definitions, but there there doesn't
> seem to be such a difference among libraries for them. Most commands seem to
> have autoload cookies (just as most options do not), and I'm guessing that those
> commands that do not are considered to be less often used.
>
>
>
>




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* RE: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-23 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman
@ 2010-01-23 20:38   ` Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2010-01-23 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Lennart Borgman'; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> > Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with
> > Emacs, about using autoload cookies for defcustoms?
> > If so, what is it?
> 
> We had a discussion about that in November:
>   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg00504.html
> 
> The conclusion there was that all defcustoms (~7000) can't be
> autoloaded but that we can probably set it up so that completion of
> options knows all option names (and maybe apropos can know about them
> too).

Yes, but even though that is somewhat related, it does not address the questions
I raised. In particular (but not only): what is the current policy about when to
add an autoload cookie?

> But we did not finish that. I think I have some more things to test
> there, but anyone who want to join is of course wellcome.

That is a different topic. My questions are about the current autoload-cookie
policy.





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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-23 18:31 autoload cookies for defcustoms Drew Adams
  2010-01-23 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman
@ 2010-01-25  2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-01-25  5:13   ` Drew Adams
  2010-08-29  9:46   ` Wojciech Meyer
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-25  2:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> Just curious.  Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with
> Emacs, about using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, what is it?

AFAIK the policy is: "don't do it".
It all too often introduces all kinds of nasty problems.
More to the point, I welcome patches that remove tham.


        Stefan




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* RE: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25  2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-25  5:13   ` Drew Adams
  2010-01-25 15:31     ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-08-29  9:46   ` Wojciech Meyer
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2010-01-25  5:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Stefan Monnier'; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> > Just curious.  Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with
> > Emacs, about using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, 
> > what is it?
> 
> AFAIK the policy is: "don't do it".
> It all too often introduces all kinds of nasty problems.
> More to the point, I welcome patches that remove tham.

OK.

And what about those that use `purecopy'? Why privilege autoloading of certain
options just because they have strings as values or parts of their values?
That's very implementation-centric, as opposed to privileging options that are
somehow considered "important" for users to know about.

Of course, if users can at least see all option names (all from the distributed
libraries) as completion candidates, that will go a long way toward making them
known to users before loading. That will be a welcome improvement.





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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25  5:13   ` Drew Adams
@ 2010-01-25 15:31     ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-01-25 20:36       ` Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-25 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

>> > Just curious.  Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with
>> > Emacs, about using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, 
>> > what is it?
>> AFAIK the policy is: "don't do it".
>> It all too often introduces all kinds of nasty problems.
>> More to the point, I welcome patches that remove tham.
> OK.
> And what about those that use `purecopy'?

AFAIK, `purecopy' has nothing to do with it, except that *if*
a defcustom is preloaded (either because it's in a preloaded file or
because it has an autoload cookie), then it may be desirable to purecopy
parts of its default value.  But it should never be a reason to decide
whether to autoload or not.

> That's very implementation-centric, as opposed to privileging options
> that are somehow considered "important" for users to know about.

Autoloading of some defcustoms should not be used just because some
option is "important".  It should only be used when it's *necessary* for
technical reasons.

> Of course, if users can at least see all option names (all from the
> distributed libraries) as completion candidates, that will go a long
> way toward making them known to users before loading.  That will be
> a welcome improvement.

Yes, that's an improvement that's planned to address the problem that
is sometimes solved by abusing autoloading.


        Stefan




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* RE: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25 15:31     ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-25 20:36       ` Drew Adams
  2010-01-26  2:05         ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-01-26 11:51         ` Juanma Barranquero
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2010-01-25 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Stefan Monnier'; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> AFAIK, `purecopy' has nothing to do with it, except that *if*
> a defcustom is preloaded (either because it's in a preloaded file or
> because it has an autoload cookie), then it may be desirable 
> to purecopy parts of its default value.  But it should never be a
> reason to decide whether to autoload or not.

Very good to hear.

However, looking at the options that actually use `purecopy' and have autoload
cookies, I have doubts that that guideline has been respected. It _seems_ that
`purecopy' has been added here and there and _consequently_ an autoload cookie
was then added.





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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25 20:36       ` Drew Adams
@ 2010-01-26  2:05         ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-01-26  3:12           ` Drew Adams
  2010-01-26 11:51         ` Juanma Barranquero
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-01-26  2:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> However, looking at the options that actually use `purecopy' and have
> autoload cookies, I have doubts that that guideline has been
> respected. It _seems_ that `purecopy' has been added here and there
> and _consequently_ an autoload cookie was then added.

If that's the case, it was ill-advised.  Please report those cases.


        Stefan




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* RE: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-26  2:05         ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-26  3:12           ` Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2010-01-26  3:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Stefan Monnier'; +Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> > However, looking at the options that actually use `purecopy' and have
> > autoload cookies, I have doubts that that guideline has been
> > respected. It _seems_ that `purecopy' has been added here and there
> > and _consequently_ an autoload cookie was then added.
> 
> If that's the case, it was ill-advised.  Please report those cases.

Just grep. I didn't note the details after I did that.





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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25 20:36       ` Drew Adams
  2010-01-26  2:05         ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-01-26 11:51         ` Juanma Barranquero
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-01-26 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, Emacs-Devel devel

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 21:36, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:

> It _seems_ that
> `purecopy' has been added here and there and _consequently_ an autoload cookie
> was then added.

What makes you think that? Many (most?) purecopy calls in defcustoms
were recently added by Dan. Have you looked at the history to
determine that the autoload was added afterwards, or it is just a
hunch?

    Juanma




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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-01-25  2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-01-25  5:13   ` Drew Adams
@ 2010-08-29  9:46   ` Wojciech Meyer
  2010-08-29 19:11     ` Glenn Morris
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Wojciech Meyer @ 2010-08-29  9:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Drew Adams, 'Emacs-Devel devel'

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> More to the point, I welcome patches that remove tham.

Yet another patch. (hope they are still welcome, as I am bombarding the
list this weekend!).

(I put `autoload' cookie inside a comment, if somebody just want to kill
the line instead, and use possibly vcs to track it later then let me know)

Thanks.
Wojciech


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# Begin patch
=== modified file 'lisp/avoid.el'
--- lisp/avoid.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/avoid.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
   :prefix "mouse-avoidance-"
   :group 'mouse)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mouse-avoidance-mode nil
   "Activate mouse avoidance mode.
 See function `mouse-avoidance-mode' for possible values.

=== modified file 'lisp/calc/calc.el'
--- lisp/calc/calc.el	2010-08-08 03:04:57 +0000
+++ lisp/calc/calc.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -229,7 +229,7 @@
   :group  'applications)
 
 ;; Do not autoload, so it is evaluated at run-time rather than at dump time.
-;; ;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;; ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom calc-settings-file
   (locate-user-emacs-file "calc.el" ".calc.el")
   "File in which to record permanent settings."

=== modified file 'lisp/calendar/holidays.el'
--- lisp/calendar/holidays.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/calendar/holidays.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
 ;; are used to using them to set calendar-holidays without having to
 ;; explicitly load this file.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-general-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-fixed 1 1 "New Year's Day")
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'general-holidays
   'holiday-general-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-oriental-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-chinese-new-year)
@@ -96,7 +96,7 @@
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'oriental-holidays
   'holiday-oriental-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-local-holidays nil
   "Local holidays.
 See the documentation for `calendar-holidays' for details."
@@ -107,7 +107,7 @@
 ;;;###autoload
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'local-holidays 'holiday-local-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-other-holidays nil
   "User defined holidays.
 See the documentation for `calendar-holidays' for details."
@@ -217,7 +217,7 @@
 (put 'hebrew-holidays-4 'risky-local-variable t)
 (make-obsolete-variable 'hebrew-holidays-4 'hebrew-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-hebrew-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-hebrew-passover)
@@ -238,7 +238,7 @@
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'hebrew-holidays
   'holiday-hebrew-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-christian-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-easter-etc)    ; respects calendar-christian-all-holidays-flag
@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'christian-holidays
   'holiday-christian-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-islamic-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-islamic-new-year)
@@ -284,7 +284,7 @@
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'islamic-holidays
   'holiday-islamic-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-bahai-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((holiday-bahai-new-year)
@@ -307,7 +307,7 @@
 ;;;###autoload
 (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'bahai-holidays 'holiday-bahai-holidays "23.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom holiday-solar-holidays
   (mapcar 'purecopy
   '((solar-equinoxes-solstices)

=== modified file 'lisp/cedet/semantic.el'
--- lisp/cedet/semantic.el	2010-04-29 15:32:11 +0000
+++ lisp/cedet/semantic.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -1031,7 +1031,7 @@
     global-semantic-mru-bookmark-mode)
   "List of auxiliary minor modes in the Semantic package.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom semantic-default-submodes
   '(global-semantic-idle-scheduler-mode global-semanticdb-minor-mode)
   "List of auxiliary Semantic minor modes enabled by `semantic-mode'.

=== modified file 'lisp/cedet/semantic/db-find.el'
--- lisp/cedet/semantic/db-find.el	2010-04-03 00:42:10 +0000
+++ lisp/cedet/semantic/db-find.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -139,7 +139,7 @@
   "Customization values for semanticdb find throttle.
 See `semanticdb-find-throttle' for details.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom semanticdb-find-default-throttle
   '(local project unloaded system recursive)
   "The default throttle for `semanticdb-find' routines.

=== modified file 'lisp/cedet/semantic/imenu.el'
--- lisp/cedet/semantic/imenu.el	2010-04-02 02:25:19 +0000
+++ lisp/cedet/semantic/imenu.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@
   :group 'imenu
   )
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom semantic-imenu-summary-function 'semantic-format-tag-abbreviate
   "*Function to use when creating items in Imenu.
 Some useful functions are found in `semantic-format-tag-functions'."
@@ -63,7 +63,7 @@
   :type semantic-format-tag-custom-list)
 (make-variable-buffer-local 'semantic-imenu-summary-function)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom semantic-imenu-bucketize-file t
   "*Non-nil if tags in a file are to be grouped into buckets."
   :group 'semantic-imenu
@@ -84,7 +84,7 @@
   :type 'boolean)
 (make-variable-buffer-local 'semantic-imenu-buckets-to-submenu)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom semantic-imenu-expand-type-members t
   "*Non-nil if types should have submenus with members in them."
   :group 'semantic-imenu

=== modified file 'lisp/cedet/semantic/senator.el'
--- lisp/cedet/semantic/senator.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/cedet/semantic/senator.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -54,7 +54,7 @@
   "Semantic Navigator."
   :group 'semantic)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom senator-step-at-tag-classes nil
   "List of tag classes recognized by Senator's navigation commands.
 A tag class is a symbol, such as `variable', `function', or `type'.
@@ -66,7 +66,7 @@
 ;;;###autoload
 (make-variable-buffer-local 'senator-step-at-tag-classes)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom senator-step-at-start-end-tag-classes nil
   "List of tag classes at which Senator's navigation commands should stop.
 A tag class is a symbol, such as `variable', `function', or `type'.

=== modified file 'lisp/cus-edit.el'
--- lisp/cus-edit.el	2010-08-21 14:46:43 +0000
+++ lisp/cus-edit.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -651,7 +651,7 @@
 
 ;;; Sorting.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom custom-browse-sort-alphabetically nil
   "If non-nil, sort customization group alphabetically in `custom-browse'."
   :type 'boolean
@@ -671,7 +671,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'custom-browse)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom custom-buffer-sort-alphabetically t
   "Whether to sort customization groups alphabetically in Custom buffer."
   :type 'boolean
@@ -687,7 +687,7 @@
 		 (const :tag "none" nil))
   :group 'custom-buffer)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom custom-menu-sort-alphabetically nil
   "If non-nil, sort each customization group alphabetically in menus."
   :type 'boolean
@@ -4216,7 +4216,7 @@
 \f
 ;;; Reading and writing the custom file.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom custom-file nil
   "File used for storing customization information.
 The default is nil, which means to use your init file

=== modified file 'lisp/desktop.el'
--- lisp/desktop.el	2010-06-09 22:08:50 +0000
+++ lisp/desktop.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -312,7 +312,7 @@
   :type '(repeat string)
   :group 'desktop)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom desktop-locals-to-save
   '(desktop-locals-to-save  ; Itself!  Think it over.
     truncate-lines

=== modified file 'lisp/dired.el'
--- lisp/dired.el	2010-07-27 02:10:05 +0000
+++ lisp/dired.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
   :group 'dired)
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom dired-listing-switches (purecopy "-al")
   "Switches passed to `ls' for Dired.  MUST contain the `l' option.
 May contain all other options that don't contradict `-l';
@@ -104,7 +104,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'dired-mark)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom dired-trivial-filenames (purecopy "^\\.\\.?$\\|^#")
   "Regexp of files to skip when finding first file of a directory.
 A value of nil means move to the subdir line.
@@ -752,7 +752,7 @@
 	 buffer-read-only
 	 (dired-directory-changed-p dirname))))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom dired-auto-revert-buffer nil
   "Automatically revert dired buffer on revisiting.
 If t, revisiting an existing dired buffer automatically reverts it.

=== modified file 'lisp/dnd.el'
--- lisp/dnd.el	2010-06-22 07:10:16 +0000
+++ lisp/dnd.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -34,7 +34,7 @@
 ;;; Customizable variables
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom dnd-protocol-alist
   `((,(purecopy "^file:///")  . dnd-open-local-file)	; XDND format.
     (,(purecopy "^file://")   . dnd-open-file)		; URL with host

=== modified file 'lisp/emacs-lisp/advice.el'
--- lisp/emacs-lisp/advice.el	2010-06-09 01:18:31 +0000
+++ lisp/emacs-lisp/advice.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -1832,7 +1832,7 @@
 
 (defconst ad-version "2.14")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ad-redefinition-action 'warn
   "Defines what to do with redefinitions during Advice de/activation.
 Redefinition occurs if a previously activated function that already has an
@@ -1847,7 +1847,7 @@
 		 (other :tag "error" error))
   :group 'advice)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ad-default-compilation-action 'maybe
   "Defines whether to compile advised definitions during activation.
 A value of `always' will result in unconditional compilation, `never' will

=== modified file 'lisp/emacs-lisp/edebug.el'
--- lisp/emacs-lisp/edebug.el	2010-06-18 14:05:43 +0000
+++ lisp/emacs-lisp/edebug.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -77,7 +77,7 @@
 ;; because the byte compiler binds them; as a result, if edebug
 ;; is first loaded for a require in a compilation, they will be left unbound.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom edebug-all-defs nil
   "If non-nil, evaluating defining forms instruments for Edebug.
 This applies to `eval-defun', `eval-region', `eval-buffer', and
@@ -95,7 +95,7 @@
 ;; because the byte compiler binds them; as a result, if edebug
 ;; is first loaded for a require in a compilation, they will be left unbound.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom edebug-all-forms nil
   "Non-nil means evaluation of all forms will instrument for Edebug.
 This doesn't apply to loading or evaluations in the minibuffer.

=== modified file 'lisp/emacs-lisp/eldoc.el'
--- lisp/emacs-lisp/eldoc.el	2010-06-01 13:47:14 +0000
+++ lisp/emacs-lisp/eldoc.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -63,7 +63,7 @@
   :type 'number
   :group 'eldoc)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom eldoc-minor-mode-string (purecopy " ElDoc")
   "String to display in mode line when ElDoc Mode is enabled; nil for none."
   :type '(choice string (const :tag "None" nil))

=== modified file 'lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el'
--- lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el	2010-08-26 03:31:34 +0000
+++ lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -178,7 +178,7 @@
   :group 'applications
   :version "24.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom package-enable-at-startup t
   "Whether to activate installed packages when Emacs starts.
 If non-nil, packages are activated after reading the init file

=== modified file 'lisp/emacs-lisp/trace.el'
--- lisp/emacs-lisp/trace.el	2010-03-22 16:50:29 +0000
+++ lisp/emacs-lisp/trace.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
   :prefix "trace-"
   :group 'lisp)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom trace-buffer (purecopy "*trace-output*")
   "Trace output will by default go to that buffer."
   :type 'string

=== modified file 'lisp/emulation/crisp.el'
--- lisp/emulation/crisp.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/emulation/crisp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -179,7 +179,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'crisp)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom crisp-mode nil
   "Track status of CRiSP emulation mode.
 A value of nil means CRiSP mode is not enabled.  A value of t

=== modified file 'lisp/emulation/keypad.el'
--- lisp/emulation/keypad.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/emulation/keypad.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -97,7 +97,7 @@
 
 ;;; Customization
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom keypad-setup nil
   "Specifies the keypad setup for unshifted keypad keys when NumLock is off.
 When selecting the plain numeric keypad setup, the character returned by the
@@ -120,7 +120,7 @@
   :require 'keypad
   :group 'keyboard)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom keypad-numlock-setup nil
   "Specifies the keypad setup for unshifted keypad keys when NumLock is on.
 When selecting the plain numeric keypad setup, the character returned by the
@@ -143,7 +143,7 @@
   :require 'keypad
   :group 'keyboard)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom keypad-shifted-setup nil
   "Specifies the keypad setup for shifted keypad keys when NumLock is off.
 When selecting the plain numeric keypad setup, the character returned by the
@@ -166,7 +166,7 @@
   :require 'keypad
   :group 'keyboard)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom keypad-numlock-shifted-setup nil
   "Specifies the keypad setup for shifted keypad keys when NumLock is off.
 When selecting the plain numeric keypad setup, the character returned by the

=== modified file 'lisp/find-dired.el'
--- lisp/find-dired.el	2010-03-28 19:31:27 +0000
+++ lisp/find-dired.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -36,7 +36,7 @@
 
 ;; find's -ls corresponds to these switches.
 ;; Note -b, at least GNU find quotes spaces etc. in filenames
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom find-ls-option
   (if (eq system-type 'berkeley-unix) (purecopy '("-ls" . "-gilsb"))
     (purecopy '("-exec ls -ld {} \\;" . "-ld")))
@@ -48,7 +48,7 @@
 	       (string :tag "Ls Switches"))
   :group 'find-dired)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom find-ls-subdir-switches (purecopy "-al")
   "`ls' switches for inserting subdirectories in `*Find*' buffers.
 This should contain the \"-l\" switch.
@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
   :group 'find-dired
   :version "22.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom find-grep-options
   (purecopy (if (or (eq system-type 'berkeley-unix)
 	  (string-match "solaris2" system-configuration)

=== modified file 'lisp/help-at-pt.el'
--- lisp/help-at-pt.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/help-at-pt.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -144,7 +144,7 @@
 	  (run-with-idle-timer
 	   help-at-pt-timer-delay t #'help-at-pt-maybe-display))))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom help-at-pt-display-when-idle 'never
   "Automatically show local help on point-over.
 If the value is t, the string obtained from any `kbd-help' or

=== modified file 'lisp/help-macro.el'
--- lisp/help-macro.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/help-macro.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@
 
 (require 'backquote)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom three-step-help nil
   "Non-nil means give more info about Help command in three steps.
 The three steps are simple prompt, prompt with all options, and

=== modified file 'lisp/hippie-exp.el'
--- lisp/hippie-exp.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/hippie-exp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -200,7 +200,7 @@
 
 (defvar he-search-window ())
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-try-functions-list
   '(try-complete-file-name-partially
     try-complete-file-name
@@ -218,31 +218,31 @@
   :type '(repeat function)
   :group 'hippie-expand)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-verbose t
   "Non-nil makes `hippie-expand' output which function it is trying."
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'hippie-expand)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-dabbrev-skip-space nil
   "Non-nil means tolerate trailing spaces in the abbreviation to expand."
   :group 'hippie-expand
   :type 'boolean)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-dabbrev-as-symbol t
   "Non-nil means expand as symbols, i.e. syntax `_' is considered a letter."
   :group 'hippie-expand
   :type 'boolean)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-no-restriction t
   "Non-nil means that narrowed buffers are widened during search."
   :group 'hippie-expand
   :type 'boolean)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-max-buffers ()
   "The maximum number of buffers (apart from the current) searched.
 If nil, all buffers are searched."
@@ -250,7 +250,7 @@
 		 integer)
   :group 'hippie-expand)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-ignore-buffers (list (purecopy "^ \\*.*\\*$") 'dired-mode)
   "A list specifying which buffers not to search (if not current).
 Can contain both regexps matching buffer names (as strings) and major modes
@@ -258,7 +258,7 @@
   :type '(repeat (choice regexp (symbol :tag "Major Mode")))
   :group 'hippie-expand)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom hippie-expand-only-buffers ()
   "A list specifying the only buffers to search (in addition to current).
 Can contain both regexps matching buffer names (as strings) and major modes

=== modified file 'lisp/ido.el'
--- lisp/ido.el	2010-08-23 10:21:01 +0000
+++ lisp/ido.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -339,7 +339,7 @@
   :link '(emacs-commentary-link :tag "Commentary" "ido.el")
   :link '(emacs-library-link :tag "Lisp File" "ido.el"))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ido-mode nil
   "Determines for which functional group \(buffer and files) ido behavior
 should be enabled.  The following values are possible:

=== modified file 'lisp/image-file.el'
--- lisp/image-file.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/image-file.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@
 (require 'image)
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom image-file-name-extensions
   (purecopy '("png" "jpeg" "jpg" "gif" "tiff" "tif" "xbm" "xpm" "pbm" "pgm" "ppm" "pnm" "svg"))
   "A list of image-file filename extensions.
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@
   :initialize 'custom-initialize-default
   :group 'image)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom image-file-name-regexps nil
   "List of regexps matching image-file filenames.
 Filenames matching one of these regexps are considered image files,

=== modified file 'lisp/imenu.el'
--- lisp/imenu.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/imenu.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -135,7 +135,7 @@
   :type 'hook
   :group 'imenu)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom imenu-sort-function nil
   "The function to use for sorting the index mouse-menu.
 

=== modified file 'lisp/informat.el'
--- lisp/informat.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/informat.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -152,7 +152,7 @@
        "Tagifying %s done"  (file-name-nondirectory (buffer-file-name)))))
 
 \f
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom Info-split-threshold 262144
   "The number of characters by which `Info-split' splits an info file."
   :type 'integer

=== modified file 'lisp/international/latexenc.el'
--- lisp/international/latexenc.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/international/latexenc.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
 
 ;;; Code:
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom latex-inputenc-coding-alist
   (purecopy
   '(("ansinew" . windows-1252) ; MS Windows ANSI encoding, extension of Latin-1

=== modified file 'lisp/international/latin1-disp.el'
--- lisp/international/latin1-disp.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/international/latin1-disp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@
   :group 'latin1-display
   :type 'string)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom latin1-display nil
   "Set up Latin-1/ASCII display for ISO8859 character sets.
 This is done for each character set in the list `latin1-display-sets',
@@ -739,7 +739,7 @@
 
   (sit-for 0))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom latin1-display-ucs-per-lynx nil
   "Set up Latin-1/ASCII display for Unicode characters.
 This uses the transliterations of the Lynx browser.  The display isn't

=== modified file 'lisp/linum.el'
--- lisp/linum.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/linum.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -43,7 +43,7 @@
   "Show line numbers in the left margin."
   :group 'convenience)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom linum-format 'dynamic
   "Format used to display line numbers.
 Either a format string like \"%7d\", `dynamic' to adapt the width

=== modified file 'lisp/locate.el'
--- lisp/locate.el	2010-05-20 22:55:11 +0000
+++ lisp/locate.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const :tag "None" nil) face)
   :group 'locate)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom locate-ls-subdir-switches (purecopy "-al")
   "`ls' switches for inserting subdirectories in `*Locate*' buffers.
 This should contain the \"-l\" switch, but not the \"-F\" or \"-b\" switches."

=== modified file 'lisp/lpr.el'
--- lisp/lpr.el	2010-05-25 02:11:08 +0000
+++ lisp/lpr.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -43,7 +43,7 @@
   :group 'wp)
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom printer-name
   (and (eq system-type 'ms-dos) "PRN")
   "The name of a local printer to which data is sent for printing.
@@ -66,7 +66,7 @@
 		 (file :tag "Name"))
   :group 'lpr)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom lpr-switches nil
   "List of strings to pass as extra options for the printer program.
 It is recommended to set `printer-name' instead of including an explicit
@@ -95,7 +95,7 @@
 		 (string :tag "Printer Switch"))
   :group 'lpr)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom lpr-command
  (purecopy
   (cond

=== modified file 'lisp/ls-lisp.el'
--- lisp/ls-lisp.el	2010-05-29 07:55:40 +0000
+++ lisp/ls-lisp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -137,7 +137,7 @@
   :group 'ls-lisp)
 
 ;;; Autoloaded because it is let-bound in `recover-session', `mail-recover-1'.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ls-lisp-support-shell-wildcards t
   "Non-nil means ls-lisp treats file patterns as shell wildcards.
 Otherwise they are treated as Emacs regexps (for backward compatibility)."

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/mail-hist.el'
--- lisp/mail/mail-hist.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/mail-hist.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -83,7 +83,7 @@
   :type 'integer
   :group 'mail-hist)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-hist-keep-history t
   "*Non-nil means keep a history for headers and text of outgoing mail."
   :type 'boolean

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/mail-utils.el'
--- lisp/mail/mail-utils.el	2010-02-04 05:05:37 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/mail-utils.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@
 ;;; been initialized.
 (require 'lisp-mode)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-use-rfc822 nil
   "If non-nil, use a full, hairy RFC822 parser on mail addresses.
 Otherwise, (the default) use a smaller, somewhat faster, and

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/mailalias.el'
--- lisp/mail/mailalias.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/mailalias.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -74,7 +74,7 @@
   :group 'mailalias)
 (put 'mail-complete-alist 'risky-local-variable t)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-complete-style 'angles
   "Specifies how \\[mail-complete] formats the full name when it completes.
 If `nil', they contain just the return address like:

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/rmail.el'
--- lisp/mail/rmail.el	2010-08-22 20:02:16 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/rmail.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -264,7 +264,7 @@
 ;; If so, this can be moved there.
 (rmail-movemail-variant-p)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-user-mail-address-regexp nil
   "Regexp matching user mail addresses.
 If non-nil, this variable is used to identify the correspondent
@@ -282,7 +282,7 @@
   :group 'rmail-retrieve
   :version "21.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-dont-reply-to-names nil
   "A regexp specifying addresses to prune from a reply message.
 If this is nil, it is set the first time you compose a reply, to
@@ -304,7 +304,7 @@
 used for large mailing lists to broadcast announcements.")
 ;; Is it really useful to set this site-wide?
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-ignored-headers
   (purecopy
   (concat "^via:\\|^mail-from:\\|^origin:\\|^references:\\|^sender:"
@@ -350,7 +350,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) (regexp))
   :group 'rmail-headers)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-displayed-headers nil
   "Regexp to match Header fields that Rmail should display.
 If nil, display all header fields except those matched by
@@ -358,14 +358,14 @@
   :type '(choice regexp (const :tag "All"))
   :group 'rmail-headers)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-retry-ignored-headers (purecopy "^x-authentication-warning:\\|^x-detected-operating-system:\\|^x-spam[-a-z]*:\\|content-type:\\|content-transfer-encoding:\\|mime-version:")
   "Headers that should be stripped when retrying a failed message."
   :type '(choice regexp (const nil :tag "None"))
   :group 'rmail-headers
   :version "23.2")	   ; added x-detected-operating-system, x-spam
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-highlighted-headers (purecopy "^From:\\|^Subject:")
   "Regexp to match Header fields that Rmail should normally highlight.
 A value of nil means don't highlight.  Uses the face `rmail-highlight'."
@@ -406,7 +406,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'rmail-files)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-primary-inbox-list nil
   "List of files that are inboxes for your primary mail file `rmail-file-name'.
 If this is nil, uses the environment variable MAIL.  If that is
@@ -430,12 +430,12 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'rmail-reply)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-secondary-file-directory (purecopy "~/")
   "Directory for additional secondary Rmail files."
   :type 'directory
   :group 'rmail-files)
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-secondary-file-regexp (purecopy "\\.xmail$")
   "Regexp for which files are secondary Rmail files."
   :type 'regexp
@@ -459,7 +459,7 @@
 (defvar rmail-get-new-mail-hook nil
   "List of functions to call when Rmail has retrieved new mail.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom rmail-show-message-hook nil
   "List of functions to call when Rmail displays a message."
   :type 'hook

=== modified file 'lisp/mail/sendmail.el'
--- lisp/mail/sendmail.el	2010-03-28 03:52:17 +0000
+++ lisp/mail/sendmail.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@
   :group 'mail
   :type 'file)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-from-style 'default
   "Specifies how \"From:\" fields look.
 
@@ -78,7 +78,7 @@
   :version "20.3"
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-specify-envelope-from nil
   "If non-nil, specify the envelope-from address when sending mail.
 The value used to specify it is whatever is found in
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@
 		 (const :tag "Use `user-mail-address'" nil))
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-self-blind nil
   "Non-nil means insert BCC to self in messages to be sent.
 This is done when the message is initialized,
@@ -113,7 +113,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-interactive t
   ;; We used to use a default of nil rather than t, but nowadays it is very
   ;; common for sendmail to be misconfigured, so one cannot rely on the
@@ -151,7 +151,7 @@
 	 'sendmail-send-it)))
 
 ;; Useful to set in site-init.el
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom send-mail-function
   (if (and window-system (memq system-type '(darwin windows-nt)))
       'mailclient-send-it
@@ -172,7 +172,7 @@
 
 ;;;###autoload(custom-initialize-delay 'send-mail-function nil)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-header-separator (purecopy "--text follows this line--")
   "Line used to separate headers from text in messages being composed."
   :type 'string
@@ -187,7 +187,7 @@
 ;; and other things.  So I turned it off.  --rms.
 ;;(put 'mail-header-separator 'read-only t)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-archive-file-name nil
   "Name of file to write all outgoing messages in, or nil for none.
 This is normally an mbox file, but for backwards compatibility may also
@@ -195,7 +195,7 @@
   :type '(choice file (const nil))
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-default-reply-to nil
   "Address to insert as default Reply-to field of outgoing messages.
 If nil, it will be initialized from the REPLYTO environment variable
@@ -203,7 +203,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) string)
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-alias-file nil
   "If non-nil, the name of a file to use instead of `/usr/lib/aliases'.
 This file defines aliases to be expanded by the mailer; this is a different
@@ -212,7 +212,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) file)
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-personal-alias-file (purecopy "~/.mailrc")
   "If non-nil, the name of the user's personal mail alias file.
 This file typically should be in same format as the `.mailrc' file used by
@@ -221,7 +221,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) file)
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-setup-hook nil
   "Normal hook, run each time a new outgoing message is initialized."
   :type 'hook
@@ -240,14 +240,14 @@
 (defvar mail-alias-modtime nil
   "The modification time of your mail alias file when it was last examined.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-yank-prefix "> "
   "Prefix insert on lines of yanked message being replied to.
 If this is nil, use indentation, as specified by `mail-indentation-spaces'."
   :type '(choice (const nil) string)
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-indentation-spaces 3
   "Number of spaces to insert at the beginning of each cited line.
 Used by `mail-yank-original' via `mail-indent-citation'."
@@ -264,7 +264,7 @@
 This is a normal hook, misnamed for historical reasons.
 It is semi-obsolete and mail agents should no longer use it.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-citation-hook nil
   "Hook for modifying a citation just inserted in the mail buffer.
 Each hook function can find the citation between (point) and (mark t),
@@ -283,7 +283,7 @@
 This enables the hook functions to see the whole message header
 regardless of what part of it (if any) is included in the cited text.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-citation-prefix-regexp
   (purecopy "\\([ \t]*\\(\\w\\|[_.]\\)+>+\\|[ \t]*[]>|}]\\)+")
   "Regular expression to match a citation prefix plus whitespace.
@@ -393,7 +393,7 @@
 removed from alias expansions."
   nil)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-signature t
   "Text inserted at end of mail buffer when a message is initialized.
 If t, it means to insert the contents of the file `mail-signature-file'.
@@ -409,13 +409,13 @@
   :group 'sendmail)
 (put 'mail-signature 'risky-local-variable t)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-signature-file (purecopy "~/.signature")
   "File containing the text inserted at end of mail buffer."
   :type 'file
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-default-directory (purecopy "~/")
   "Value of `default-directory' for Mail mode buffers.
 This directory is used for auto-save files of Mail mode buffers.
@@ -432,7 +432,7 @@
 (put 'mail-reply-action 'permanent-local t)
 (put 'mail-send-actions 'permanent-local t)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-default-headers nil
   "A string containing header lines, to be inserted in outgoing messages.
 It can contain newlines, and should end in one.  It is inserted
@@ -441,7 +441,7 @@
   :group 'sendmail)
 
 ;; FIXME no need for autoload
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-bury-selects-summary t
   "If non-nil, try to show Rmail summary buffer after returning from mail.
 The functions \\[mail-send-on-exit] or \\[mail-dont-send] select
@@ -451,7 +451,7 @@
   :group 'sendmail)
 
 ;; FIXME no need for autoload
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-send-nonascii 'mime
   "Specify whether to allow sending non-ASCII characters in mail.
 If t, that means do allow it.  nil means don't allow it.
@@ -824,7 +824,7 @@
   :options '(flyspell-mode-off)
   :group 'sendmail)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom mail-mailing-lists nil
 "List of mailing list addresses the user is subscribed to.
 The variable is used to trigger insertion of the \"Mail-Followup-To\"

=== modified file 'lisp/net/browse-url.el'
--- lisp/net/browse-url.el	2010-08-17 08:01:10 +0000
+++ lisp/net/browse-url.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -218,7 +218,7 @@
   :group 'external
   :group 'comm)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom browse-url-browser-function
   (cond
    ((memq system-type '(windows-nt ms-dos cygwin))

=== modified file 'lisp/net/tramp.el'
--- lisp/net/tramp.el	2010-08-26 07:33:16 +0000
+++ lisp/net/tramp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -180,7 +180,7 @@
   :version "22.1")
 
 ;; Maybe we need once a real Tramp mode, with key bindings etc.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tramp-mode t
   "*Whether Tramp is enabled.
 If it is set to nil, all remote file names are used literally."
@@ -1256,7 +1256,7 @@
 ;; the other places.
 
 ;; Currently, we have the choice between 'ftp, 'sep, and 'url.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tramp-syntax
   (if (featurep 'xemacs) 'sep 'ftp)
   "Tramp filename syntax to be used.

=== modified file 'lisp/newcomment.el'
--- lisp/newcomment.el	2010-08-17 19:38:30 +0000
+++ lisp/newcomment.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -92,7 +92,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) integer)
   :group 'comment)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom comment-column 32
   "Column to indent right-margin comments to.
 Each mode may establish a different default value for this variable; you
@@ -206,7 +206,7 @@
 If INDENT is `multi-char', that means indent multi-character
   comment starters, but not one-character comment starters.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom comment-style 'indent
   "Style to be used for `comment-region'.
 See `comment-styles' for a list of available styles."
@@ -217,7 +217,7 @@
   :version "23.1"
   :group 'comment)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom comment-padding (purecopy " ")
   "Padding string that `comment-region' puts between comment chars and text.
 Can also be an integer which will be automatically turned into a string
@@ -228,7 +228,7 @@
   :type '(choice string integer (const nil))
   :group 'comment)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom comment-multi-line nil
   "Non-nil means `comment-indent-new-line' continues comments.
 That is, it inserts no new terminator or starter.
@@ -1191,7 +1191,7 @@
               (insert (comment-padleft comment-end add)))
             (indent-according-to-mode)))))))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom comment-auto-fill-only-comments nil
   "Non-nil means to only auto-fill inside comments.
 This has no effect in modes that do not define a comment syntax."

=== modified file 'lisp/password-cache.el'
--- lisp/password-cache.el	2010-05-19 12:52:27 +0000
+++ lisp/password-cache.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -53,13 +53,13 @@
 
 ;; Options are autoloaded since they are used by eg mml-sec.el.
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom password-cache t
   "Whether to cache passwords."
   :group 'password
   :type 'boolean)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom password-cache-expiry 16
   "How many seconds passwords are cached, or nil to disable expiring.
 Whether passwords are cached at all is controlled by `password-cache'."

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/compile.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/compile.el	2010-08-15 00:04:53 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/compile.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -86,13 +86,13 @@
   :group 'processes)
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-mode-hook nil
   "List of hook functions run by `compilation-mode' (see `run-mode-hooks')."
   :type 'hook
   :group 'compilation)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-start-hook nil
   "List of hook functions run by `compilation-start' on the compilation process.
 \(See `run-hook-with-args').
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@
   :type 'hook
   :group 'compilation)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-window-height nil
   "Number of lines in a compilation window.  If nil, use Emacs default."
   :type '(choice (const :tag "Default" nil)
@@ -587,7 +587,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'compilation)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-ask-about-save t
   "Non-nil means \\[compile] asks which buffers to save before compiling.
 Otherwise, it saves all modified buffers without asking."
@@ -609,7 +609,7 @@
   :group 'compilation
   :version "24.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-search-path '(nil)
   "List of directories to search for source files named in error messages.
 Elements should be directory names, not file names of directories.
@@ -618,7 +618,7 @@
 			 (string :tag "Directory")))
   :group 'compilation)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compile-command (purecopy "make -k ")
   "Last shell command used to do a compilation; default for next compilation.
 
@@ -636,7 +636,7 @@
   :group 'compilation)
 ;;;###autoload(put 'compile-command 'safe-local-variable (lambda (a) (and (stringp a) (or (not (boundp 'compilation-read-command)) compilation-read-command))))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom compilation-disable-input nil
   "If non-nil, send end-of-file as compilation process input.
 This only affects platforms that support asynchronous processes (see

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/etags.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/etags.el	2010-08-14 23:01:42 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/etags.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@
 (defgroup etags nil "Tags tables."
   :group 'tools)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tags-case-fold-search 'default
   "*Whether tags operations should be case-sensitive.
 A value of t means case-insensitive, a value of nil means case-sensitive.
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@
   :group 'etags
   :type '(repeat file))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tags-compression-info-list (purecopy '("" ".Z" ".bz2" ".gz" ".tgz"))
   "*List of extensions tried by etags when jka-compr is used.
 An empty string means search the non-compressed file.
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
 ;; jka-compr-compression-info-list.
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tags-add-tables 'ask-user
   "*Control whether to add a new tags table to the current list.
 t means do; nil means don't (always start a new list).
@@ -103,6 +103,15 @@
   :group 'etags
   :type 'boolean)
 
+(defcustom tags-major-mode-sensitive 'default
+  "*Control whether major mode determines allowed file extensions during 
+tags search."
+  :group 'etags
+  :type '(choice (const :tag "Major mode file types only" t)
+		 (const :tag "All files " nil)
+		 (other :tag "Use default" default))
+  :version "21.1")
+
 (defvar tags-table-computed-list nil
   "List of tags tables to search, computed from `tags-table-list'.
 This includes tables implicitly included by other tables.  The list is not
@@ -128,7 +137,7 @@
   "List of sets of tags table which have been used together in the past.
 Each element is a list of strings which are file names.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom find-tag-hook nil
   "*Hook to be run by \\[find-tag] after finding a tag.  See `run-hooks'.
 The value in the buffer in which \\[find-tag] is done is used,
@@ -136,7 +145,7 @@
   :group 'etags
   :type 'hook)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom find-tag-default-function nil
   "*A function of no arguments used by \\[find-tag] to pick a default tag.
 If nil, and the symbol that is the value of `major-mode'
@@ -879,7 +888,8 @@
   ;; Save the current buffer's value of `find-tag-hook' before
   ;; selecting the tags table buffer.  For the same reason, save value
   ;; of `tags-file-name' in case it has a buffer-local value.
-  (let ((local-find-tag-hook find-tag-hook))
+  (let ((local-find-tag-hook find-tag-hook)
+	(current-major-mode major-mode))
     (if (eq '- next-p)
 	;; Pop back to a previous location.
 	(if (ring-empty-p tags-location-ring)
@@ -919,7 +929,7 @@
                  find-tag-regexp-next-line-after-failure-p
                find-tag-next-line-after-failure-p)
              (if regexp-p "matching" "containing")
-             (or (not next-p) (not last-tag)))
+             (or (not next-p) (not last-tag)) current-major-mode)
 	  (set-marker marker (point))
 	  (run-hooks 'local-find-tag-hook)
 	  (ring-insert tags-location-ring marker)
@@ -1061,6 +1071,26 @@
     (goto-char (marker-position marker))
     (set-marker marker nil nil)))
 \f
+
+(defun tags-file-name-qualified-p (file-name current-major-mode)
+  "Is file name qualified? Return always t if `tags-major-mode-sensitive' 
+is nil. Otherwise return if the file matches major-mode file name regexp."
+  (if (or 
+       (null tags-major-mode-sensitive) 
+       (eq tags-major-mode-sensitive 'default))
+      t
+    (let ((al auto-mode-alist)
+	  (found nil))
+      (while (and (not found) al)
+	(let* ((x (car al))
+	       (file-name-regex (car x))
+	       (major-mode-sym (cdr x)))
+	(setq al (cdr al))
+	(setq found (and
+		     (eq current-major-mode major-mode-sym)
+		     (string-match file-name-regex file-name)))))
+      found)))
+
 (defvar tag-lines-already-matched nil
   "Matches remembered between calls.") ; Doc string: calls to what?
 
@@ -1069,7 +1099,8 @@
 			  order
 			  next-line-after-failure-p
 			  matching
-			  first-search)
+			  first-search
+			  current-major-mode)
   "Internal tag-finding function.
 PATTERN is a string to pass to arg SEARCH-FORWARD-FUNC, and to any
 member of the function list ORDER.  If ORDER is nil, use saved state
@@ -1129,7 +1160,8 @@
 	  (while order
 	    (while (funcall search-forward-func pattern nil t)
 	      ;; Naive match found.  Qualify the match.
-	      (and (funcall (car order) pattern)
+	      (and (tags-file-name-qualified-p (file-of-tag) current-major-mode)
+		   (funcall (car order) pattern)
 		   ;; Make sure it is not a previous qualified match.
 		   (not (member (set-marker match-marker (save-excursion
 							   (beginning-of-line)

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/gdb-mi.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/gdb-mi.el	2010-07-29 13:13:11 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/gdb-mi.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -456,7 +456,7 @@
 Most recent commands are listed first.  This list stores only the last
 `gdb-debug-log-max' values.  This variable is used to debug GDB-MI.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom gdb-enable-debug nil
   "Non-nil means record the process input and output in `gdb-debug-log'."
   :type 'boolean

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/grep.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/grep.el	2010-05-21 20:43:04 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/grep.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@
       (setcar (cdr (assq symbol defaults)) value)))
   (set-default symbol value))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom grep-window-height nil
   "*Number of lines in a grep window.  If nil, use `compilation-window-height'."
   :type '(choice (const :tag "Default" nil)
@@ -112,7 +112,7 @@
   :version "22.1"
   :group 'grep)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom grep-command nil
   "The default grep command for \\[grep].
 If the grep program used supports an option to always include file names
@@ -160,7 +160,7 @@
   :set 'grep-apply-setting
   :group 'grep)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom grep-find-command nil
   "The default find command for \\[grep-find].
 In interactive usage, the actual value of this variable is set up
@@ -235,7 +235,7 @@
   :version "22.1"
   :group 'grep)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom grep-setup-hook nil
   "List of hook functions run by `grep-process-setup' (see `run-hooks')."
   :type 'hook

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/inf-lisp.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/inf-lisp.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/inf-lisp.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@
   :group 'lisp
   :version "22.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom inferior-lisp-filter-regexp
   (purecopy "\\`\\s *\\(:\\(\\w\\|\\s_\\)\\)?\\s *\\'")
   "*What not to save on inferior Lisp's input history.
@@ -140,13 +140,13 @@
   (define-key inferior-lisp-mode-map "\C-cv"
     'lisp-show-variable-documentation))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom inferior-lisp-program (purecopy "lisp")
   "*Program name for invoking an inferior Lisp in Inferior Lisp mode."
   :type 'string
   :group 'inferior-lisp)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom inferior-lisp-load-command (purecopy "(load \"%s\")\n")
   "*Format-string for building a Lisp expression to load a file.
 This format string should use `%s' to substitute a file name
@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'inferior-lisp)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom inferior-lisp-prompt (purecopy "^[^> \n]*>+:? *")
   "Regexp to recognize prompts in the Inferior Lisp mode.
 Defaults to \"^[^> \\n]*>+:? *\", which works pretty good for Lucid, kcl,

=== modified file 'lisp/progmodes/sql.el'
--- lisp/progmodes/sql.el	2010-08-10 23:04:32 +0000
+++ lisp/progmodes/sql.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -551,7 +551,7 @@
 (defvar sql-indirect-features
   '(:font-lock :sqli-program :sqli-options :sqli-login))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom sql-connection-alist nil
   "An alist of connection parameters for interacting with a SQL
   product.
@@ -600,7 +600,7 @@
   :version "24.1"
   :group 'SQL)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom sql-product 'ansi
   "Select the SQL database product used so that buffers can be
 highlighted properly when you open them."

=== modified file 'lisp/ps-bdf.el'
--- lisp/ps-bdf.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/ps-bdf.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
 (eval-and-compile
   (require 'ps-mule))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom bdf-directory-list
   (if (memq system-type '(ms-dos windows-nt))
       (list (expand-file-name "fonts/bdf" installation-directory))

=== modified file 'lisp/ps-mule.el'
--- lisp/ps-mule.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/ps-mule.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -92,7 +92,7 @@
   (require 'ps-print))
 
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ps-multibyte-buffer nil
   "Specifies the multi-byte buffer handling.
 

=== modified file 'lisp/ps-print.el'
--- lisp/ps-print.el	2010-03-12 17:47:22 +0000
+++ lisp/ps-print.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -1830,7 +1830,7 @@
 ;; B4         10.125 inch x 14.33  inch
 ;; B5          7.16  inch x 10.125 inch
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ps-page-dimensions-database
  (purecopy
   (list (list 'a4    (/ (* 72 21.0) 2.54)  (/ (* 72 29.7) 2.54) "A4")
@@ -1880,7 +1880,7 @@
   :version "20"
   :group 'ps-print-page)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ps-paper-type 'letter
   "Specify the size of paper to format for.
 Should be one of the paper types defined in `ps-page-dimensions-database', for
@@ -2965,7 +2965,7 @@
 ;; Printing color requires x-color-values.
 ;; XEmacs change: Need autoload for the "Options->Printing->Color Printing"
 ;;                widget to work.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ps-print-color-p
   (or (fboundp 'x-color-values)		; Emacs
       (fboundp 'color-instance-rgb-components))

=== modified file 'lisp/shell.el'
--- lisp/shell.el	2010-06-11 13:28:41 +0000
+++ lisp/shell.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@
   "Faces in shell buffers."
   :group 'shell)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom shell-dumb-shell-regexp (purecopy "cmd\\(proxy\\)?\\.exe")
   "Regexp to match shells that don't save their command history, and
 don't handle the backslash as a quote character.  For shells that

=== modified file 'lisp/textmodes/ispell.el'
--- lisp/textmodes/ispell.el	2010-07-07 10:30:57 +0000
+++ lisp/textmodes/ispell.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -481,7 +481,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'ispell)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom ispell-personal-dictionary nil
   "*File name of your personal spelling dictionary, or nil.
 If nil, the default personal dictionary, (\"~/.ispell_DICTNAME\" for ispell or

=== modified file 'lisp/textmodes/table.el'
--- lisp/textmodes/table.el	2010-05-25 02:11:08 +0000
+++ lisp/textmodes/table.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -796,7 +796,7 @@
   :type 'integer
   :group 'table)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom table-cell-map-hook nil
   "*Normal hooks run when finishing construction of `table-cell-map'.
 User can modify `table-cell-map' by adding custom functions here."
@@ -820,19 +820,19 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'table)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom table-load-hook nil
   "*List of functions to be called after the table is first loaded."
   :type 'hook
   :group 'table-hooks)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom table-point-entered-cell-hook nil
   "*List of functions to be called after point entered a table cell."
   :type 'hook
   :group 'table-hooks)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom table-point-left-cell-hook nil
   "*List of functions to be called after point left a table cell."
   :type 'hook

=== modified file 'lisp/textmodes/tex-mode.el'
--- lisp/textmodes/tex-mode.el	2010-05-13 21:52:20 +0000
+++ lisp/textmodes/tex-mode.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -56,14 +56,14 @@
   :prefix "tex-"
   :group 'tex)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-shell-file-name nil
   "*If non-nil, the shell file name to run in the subshell used to run TeX."
   :type '(choice (const :tag "None" nil)
 		 string)
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-directory (purecopy ".")
   "*Directory in which temporary files are written.
 You can make this `/tmp' if your TEXINPUTS has no relative directories in it
@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
   :type 'directory
   :group 'tex-file)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-first-line-header-regexp nil
   "Regexp for matching a first line which `tex-region' should include.
 If this is non-nil, it should be a regular expression string;
@@ -82,7 +82,7 @@
                  regexp)
   :group 'tex-file)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-main-file nil
   "*The main TeX source file which includes this buffer's file.
 The command `tex-file' runs TeX on the file specified by `tex-main-file'
@@ -91,13 +91,13 @@
                  file)
   :group 'tex-file)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-offer-save t
   "*If non-nil, ask about saving modified buffers before \\[tex-file] is run."
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'tex-file)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-run-command (purecopy "tex")
   "*Command used to run TeX subjob.
 TeX Mode sets `tex-command' to this string.
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom latex-run-command (purecopy "latex")
   "*Command used to run LaTeX subjob.
 LaTeX Mode sets `tex-command' to this string.
@@ -113,7 +113,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom slitex-run-command (purecopy "slitex")
   "*Command used to run SliTeX subjob.
 SliTeX Mode sets `tex-command' to this string.
@@ -121,7 +121,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-start-options (purecopy "")
   "*TeX options to use when starting TeX.
 These immediately precede the commands in `tex-start-commands'
@@ -131,7 +131,7 @@
   :group 'tex-run
   :version "22.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-start-commands (purecopy "\\nonstopmode\\input")
   "*TeX commands to use when starting TeX.
 They are shell-quoted and precede the input file name, with a separating space.
@@ -155,14 +155,14 @@
     "verbatim"		"verbatim*"	"verse"		"math")
   "Standard LaTeX block names.")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom latex-block-names nil
   "*User defined LaTeX block names.
 Combined with `latex-standard-block-names' for minibuffer completion."
   :type '(repeat string)
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-bibtex-command (purecopy "bibtex")
   "*Command used by `tex-bibtex-file' to gather bibliographic data.
 If this string contains an asterisk (`*'), that is replaced by the file name;
@@ -170,7 +170,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-run)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-dvi-print-command (purecopy "lpr -d")
   "*Command used by \\[tex-print] to print a .dvi file.
 If this string contains an asterisk (`*'), that is replaced by the file name;
@@ -178,7 +178,7 @@
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-view)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-alt-dvi-print-command (purecopy "lpr -d")
   "*Command used by \\[tex-print] with a prefix arg to print a .dvi file.
 If this string contains an asterisk (`*'), that is replaced by the file name;
@@ -197,7 +197,7 @@
 		 (sexp :tag "Expression"))
   :group 'tex-view)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-dvi-view-command
   `(cond
     ((eq window-system 'x) ,(purecopy "xdvi"))
@@ -212,14 +212,14 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) string sexp)
   :group 'tex-view)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-show-queue-command (purecopy "lpq")
   "*Command used by \\[tex-show-print-queue] to show the print queue.
 Should show the queue(s) that \\[tex-print] puts jobs on."
   :type 'string
   :group 'tex-view)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-default-mode 'latex-mode
   "*Mode to enter for a new file that might be either TeX or LaTeX.
 This variable is used when it can't be determined whether the file
@@ -228,14 +228,14 @@
   :type 'function
   :group 'tex)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-open-quote (purecopy "``")
   "*String inserted by typing \\[tex-insert-quote] to open a quotation."
   :type 'string
   :options '("``" "\"<" "\"`" "<<" "«")
   :group 'tex)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom tex-close-quote (purecopy "''")
   "*String inserted by typing \\[tex-insert-quote] to close a quotation."
   :type 'string

=== modified file 'lisp/textmodes/texinfo.el'
--- lisp/textmodes/texinfo.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/textmodes/texinfo.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -41,13 +41,13 @@
   :link '(custom-group-link :tag "Font Lock Faces group" font-lock-faces)
   :group 'docs)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom texinfo-open-quote (purecopy "``")
   "String inserted by typing \\[texinfo-insert-quote] to open a quotation."
   :type 'string
   :group 'texinfo)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom texinfo-close-quote (purecopy "''")
   "String inserted by typing \\[texinfo-insert-quote] to close a quotation."
   :type 'string

=== modified file 'lisp/time.el'
--- lisp/time.el	2010-07-27 02:10:05 +0000
+++ lisp/time.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -85,7 +85,7 @@
   :type 'number
   :group 'display-time)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom display-time-day-and-date nil "\
 Non-nil means \\[display-time] should display day and date as well as time."
   :type 'boolean

=== modified file 'lisp/type-break.el'
--- lisp/type-break.el	2010-05-03 02:29:46 +0000
+++ lisp/type-break.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
   :prefix "type-break"
   :group 'keyboard)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom type-break-mode nil
   "Toggle typing break mode.
 See the docstring for the `type-break-mode' command for more information.
@@ -84,13 +84,13 @@
   :group 'type-break
   :require 'type-break)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom type-break-interval (* 60 60)
   "Number of seconds between scheduled typing breaks."
   :type 'integer
   :group 'type-break)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom type-break-good-rest-interval (/ type-break-interval 6)
   "Number of seconds of idle time considered to be an adequate typing rest.
 
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@
   :type 'integer
   :group 'type-break)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom type-break-good-break-interval nil
   "Number of seconds considered to be an adequate explicit typing rest.
 
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@
   :type 'integer
   :group 'type-break)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom type-break-keystroke-threshold
   ;; Assuming typing speed is 35wpm (on the average, do you really
   ;; type more than that in a minute?  I spend a lot of time reading mail

=== modified file 'lisp/url/url-util.el'
--- lisp/url/url-util.el	2010-05-19 15:23:53 +0000
+++ lisp/url/url-util.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
 (modify-syntax-entry ?{ "(" url-parse-args-syntax-table)
 (modify-syntax-entry ?} ")" url-parse-args-syntax-table)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom url-debug nil
   "*What types of debug messages from the URL library to show.
 Debug messages are logged to the *URL-DEBUG* buffer.

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/add-log.el'
--- lisp/vc/add-log.el	2010-08-21 14:09:46 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/add-log.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@
   :group 'change-log)
 
 ;; Many modes set this variable, so avoid warnings.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom add-log-current-defun-function nil
   "If non-nil, function to guess name of surrounding function.
 It is used by `add-log-current-defun' in preference to built-in rules.
@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const nil) function)
   :group 'change-log)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom add-log-full-name nil
   "Full name of user, for inclusion in ChangeLog daily headers.
 This defaults to the value returned by the function `user-full-name'."
@@ -78,7 +78,7 @@
 		 string)
   :group 'change-log)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom add-log-mailing-address nil
   "Email addresses of user, for inclusion in ChangeLog headers.
 This defaults to the value of `user-mail-address'.  In addition to

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/diff.el'
--- lisp/vc/diff.el	2010-06-11 19:09:57 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/diff.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -35,13 +35,13 @@
   "Comparing files with `diff'."
   :group 'tools)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom diff-switches (purecopy "-c")
   "A string or list of strings specifying switches to be passed to diff."
   :type '(choice string (repeat string))
   :group 'diff)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom diff-command (purecopy "diff")
   "The command to use to run diff."
   :type 'string

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/pcvs.el'
--- lisp/vc/pcvs.el	2010-06-11 19:09:57 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/pcvs.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -2332,14 +2332,14 @@
 ;; Hook to allow calling PCL-CVS by visiting the /CVS subdirectory
 ;;
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom cvs-dired-action 'cvs-quickdir
   "The action to be performed when opening a CVS directory.
 Sensible values are `cvs-examine', `cvs-status' and `cvs-quickdir'."
   :group 'pcl-cvs
   :type '(choice (const cvs-examine) (const cvs-status) (const cvs-quickdir)))
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom cvs-dired-use-hook '(4)
   "Whether or not opening a CVS directory should run PCL-CVS.
 A value of nil means never do it.

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/vc-rcs.el'
--- lisp/vc/vc-rcs.el	2010-06-11 18:51:00 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/vc-rcs.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@
   :type '(choice (const :tag "Work out" nil) (const yes) (const no))
   :group 'vc)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom vc-rcs-master-templates
   (purecopy '("%sRCS/%s,v" "%s%s,v" "%sRCS/%s"))
   "Where to look for RCS master files.

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/vc-sccs.el'
--- lisp/vc/vc-sccs.el	2010-06-11 18:51:00 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/vc-sccs.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
   :type '(repeat string)
   :group 'vc)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom vc-sccs-master-templates
   (purecopy '("%sSCCS/s.%s" "%ss.%s" vc-sccs-search-project-dir))
   "Where to look for SCCS master files.

=== modified file 'lisp/vc/vc.el'
--- lisp/vc/vc.el	2010-07-16 15:42:15 +0000
+++ lisp/vc/vc.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -740,7 +740,7 @@
   :group 'vc
   :version "22.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom vc-checkout-hook nil
   "Normal hook (list of functions) run after checking out a file.
 See `run-hooks'."
@@ -748,7 +748,7 @@
   :group 'vc
   :version "21.1")
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom vc-checkin-hook nil
   "Normal hook (list of functions) run after commit or file checkin.
 See also `log-edit-done-hook'."
@@ -756,7 +756,7 @@
   :options '(log-edit-comment-to-change-log)
   :group 'vc)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom vc-before-checkin-hook nil
   "Normal hook (list of functions) run before a commit or a file checkin.
 See `run-hooks'."

=== modified file 'lisp/view.el'
--- lisp/view.el	2010-05-03 02:29:46 +0000
+++ lisp/view.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -74,7 +74,7 @@
   :type 'boolean
   :group 'view)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom view-remove-frame-by-deleting t
   "Determine how View mode removes a frame no longer needed.
 If nil, make an icon of the frame.  If non-nil, delete the frame."

=== modified file 'lisp/winner.el'
--- lisp/winner.el	2010-01-13 08:35:10 +0000
+++ lisp/winner.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@
   "Restoring window configurations."
   :group 'windows)
 
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom winner-mode nil
   "Toggle Winner mode.
 Setting this variable directly does not take effect;

=== modified file 'lisp/woman.el'
--- lisp/woman.el	2010-08-22 20:02:16 +0000
+++ lisp/woman.el	2010-08-29 09:37:07 +0000
@@ -604,7 +604,7 @@
     (nreverse manpath)))
 
 ;; Autoload so set-locale-environment can operate on it.
-;;;###autoload
+;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
 (defcustom woman-locale nil
   "String specifying a manual page locale, or nil.
 If a manual page is available in the specified locale

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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-29  9:46   ` Wojciech Meyer
@ 2010-08-29 19:11     ` Glenn Morris
  2010-08-30 12:30       ` Wojciech Meyer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-08-29 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wojciech Meyer; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams, 'Emacs-Devel devel'

Wojciech Meyer wrote:

> -;;;###autoload
> +;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
>  (defcustom holiday-general-holidays

The remaining calendar autoloaded defcustoms are generally autoloaded
for a reason, and I imagine the same is true in many other cases. Did
you just do a blanket replace, or did you check every case?



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-29 19:11     ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-08-30 12:30       ` Wojciech Meyer
  2010-08-30 15:54         ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-08-30 23:20         ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Wojciech Meyer @ 2010-08-30 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris
  Cc: Wojciech Meyer, Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams,
	'Emacs-Devel devel'

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Wojciech Meyer wrote:
>
>> -;;;###autoload
>> +;; `defcustom' should not be autoloaded ;;;###autoload
>>  (defcustom holiday-general-holidays
>
> The remaining calendar autoloaded defcustoms are generally autoloaded
> for a reason, and I imagine the same is true in many other cases. Did
> you just do a blanket replace, or did you check every case?

Did a blanket replace. (however in the example you showed me I see some
toplevel code evaluated). It is up to maintainers what to do with the
patch, it just shows `defcustoms' with `autoload'. I might refine it if
somebody comes up with rules to follow.

This approach was due to:

> > Just curious.  Is there a policy, for the Lisp code distributed with
> > Emacs, about using autoload cookies for defcustoms? If so, what is it?

> AFAIK the policy is: "don't do it".
> It all too often introduces all kinds of nasty problems.
> More to the point, I welcome patches that remove tham.


>         Stefan

Cheers;
Wojciech



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-30 12:30       ` Wojciech Meyer
@ 2010-08-30 15:54         ` Stefan Monnier
  2010-08-30 23:20         ` Glenn Morris
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-08-30 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wojciech Meyer; +Cc: Drew Adams, 'Emacs-Devel devel'

> Did a blanket replace. (however in the example you showed me I see some
> toplevel code evaluated). It is up to maintainers what to do with the
> patch, it just shows `defcustoms' with `autoload'. I might refine it if
> somebody comes up with rules to follow.

The reason we haven't removed tham is because there is no mechanical
rule to follow: it depends on whether the change is likely to bump into
code (in Elisp packages or in .emacs configs) that expects them to be
predefined :-(
The difficulty of removing them is the main reason why I hate them.


        Stefan



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-30 12:30       ` Wojciech Meyer
  2010-08-30 15:54         ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2010-08-30 23:20         ` Glenn Morris
  2010-08-30 23:52           ` Wojciech Meyer
  2010-08-31  3:32           ` Andy Wingo
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2010-08-30 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wojciech Meyer; +Cc: Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams, 'Emacs-Devel devel'

Wojciech Meyer wrote:

> toplevel code evaluated). It is up to maintainers what to do with the
> patch, it just shows `defcustoms' with `autoload'. I might refine it if
> somebody comes up with rules to follow.

You can't really come up with a rule. The problem is often historical.
People get used to using these variables in their .emacs without
loading the associated packages. Removing the autoloads breaks their
.emacs. And there's no compatible way to get from here to there (eg
you cannot mark an autoload obsolete, not that anyone would notice
anyway).

Some examples of such problems are

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00956.html
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=2150



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-30 23:20         ` Glenn Morris
@ 2010-08-30 23:52           ` Wojciech Meyer
  2010-08-31  3:32           ` Andy Wingo
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Wojciech Meyer @ 2010-08-30 23:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris
  Cc: Wojciech Meyer, Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams,
	'Emacs-Devel devel'

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Wojciech Meyer wrote:
>
>> toplevel code evaluated). It is up to maintainers what to do with the
>> patch, it just shows `defcustoms' with `autoload'. I might refine it if
>> somebody comes up with rules to follow.
>
> You can't really come up with a rule. The problem is often historical.
> People get used to using these variables in their .emacs without
> loading the associated packages. Removing the autoloads breaks their
> .emacs. And there's no compatible way to get from here to there (eg
> you cannot mark an autoload obsolete, not that anyone would notice
> anyway).
>

> Some examples of such problems are
>
> 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00956.html
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=2150

Thanks for pointing this out.

Yes, I can see the problem, but wouldn't be that solved using some kind
of dependency tracker and `require'?

Cheers;
Wojciech



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-30 23:20         ` Glenn Morris
  2010-08-30 23:52           ` Wojciech Meyer
@ 2010-08-31  3:32           ` Andy Wingo
  2010-08-31  8:04             ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Andy Wingo @ 2010-08-31  3:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris
  Cc: Wojciech Meyer, Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams,
	'Emacs-Devel devel'

On Mon 30 Aug 2010 16:20, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> And there's no compatible way to get from here to there (eg you cannot
> mark an autoload obsolete, not that anyone would notice anyway).

Why not? Assuming you could, you could mark all autoloads as obsolete,
this would present a warning to users on startup, and a couple years
later you could remove the autoloads.

Andy
-- 
http://wingolog.org/



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* Re: autoload cookies for defcustoms
  2010-08-31  3:32           ` Andy Wingo
@ 2010-08-31  8:04             ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-08-31  8:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andy Wingo; +Cc: Wojciech Meyer, Drew Adams, 'Emacs-Devel devel'

>> And there's no compatible way to get from here to there (eg you cannot
>> mark an autoload obsolete, not that anyone would notice anyway).
> Why not? Assuming you could, you could mark all autoloads as obsolete,
> this would present a warning to users on startup, and a couple years
> later you could remove the autoloads.

The question is: how could we detect the situation where a warning
is needed?


        Stefan



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