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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: "Daniel Martín" <mardani29@yahoo.es>
Cc: me@wilfred.me.uk, Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
	Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Helpful in Emacs?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 09:30:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735qd7ywa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1a6klu64l.fsf@yahoo.es> ("Daniel Martín"'s message of "Thu, 09 Sep 2021 17:21:30 +0200")

> Instead of integrating the library as a whole, I'd prefer we extract
> those features from Helpful that people think are useful and not already
> available in Emacs.  I don't think that having two separate help systems
> in core is a good idea, there'll be too much duplication and maintenance
> burden.

Refactoring it as a library is very much needed.  Ideally, it should return
information in a structured way, for example:

  ((type . function)
   (name . "car")
   (source-file . "src/data.c")
   (Info-node . "(elisp) List Elements")
   (docstring . ...)
   ...)

This will allow to use the extracted information in different front-ends
such as a html front-end to display Help in eww, etc.  I once attempted
to represent such information as a generated Info node, but abandoned
due to too many small details that are too ambiguous to handle.

If it's possible to refactor helpful.el and separate a library from front-end,
it would be very helpful and will solve such bugs as bug#49587 that currently
displays the Help buffer twice: for the function and the variable part
separately when a symbol for 'C-h o' is both a function and a variable.



      parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-10  6:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-09 10:57 Helpful in Emacs? Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 11:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09 12:35   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 15:21     ` Daniel Martín
2021-09-09 15:48       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10  6:20         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-10  7:11           ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10  7:19             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-10  7:58               ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10  8:14                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-09-10 12:32               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-10  7:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-10  8:00               ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10 11:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-10 11:41                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 19:21       ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-09-09 19:51         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 20:23       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09 22:55         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-10  0:52           ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10  6:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-10  6:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-10  6:21           ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-10  6:30       ` Juri Linkov [this message]

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