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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Make peg.el a built-in library?
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 20:27:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871r55o253.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1mVpBR-00027Y-7d@fencepost.gnu.org

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

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>   > Basically a way of composing a parser out of smaller regexp-like
>   > expressions. They can be very useful in a wide variety of situations.
>
> It does sound useful.  Can you post a descripion of a specific simple
> example where this approach is advantageous?

I feel like I've ended up advocating for this thing when I know less
about it than anyone here, but...

My sense is that really powerful PEG systems are the sort of thing you
use to parse source code into ASTs, or do syntax highlighting, etc. We
don't need that, and the use-cases I have in mind, anyway, are simpler
situations where I want to parse a stream of
well-defined-but-still-pretty-complicated text. The sort of thing where
a regexp solution turns into a rat's nest very quickly.

One theoretical example is parsing IMAP server responses. The response
text is fully defined, but could vary enormously depending on the
capabilities of the server. Writing naive regexps is a headache.

Another non-theoretical example is the homemade token-parser in
lisp/gnus/gnus-search.el:390-680, which turns a string like:

from:bob (subject:lunch or subject:dinner)

into the sexp

((from . "bob") (or (subject . "lunch") (subject . "dinner"))

There are many, many libraries that need to do something similar. With
peg.el I can parse the above (including arbitrarily-nested
sub-expressions) with twenty lines of peg definition, which is
comprehensible to look at (once you've got the basics), easier to reason
about, and easier to modify. I guess it's sort of equivalent to a BNF.

PEGs and their implementation are the subject of academic research,
obviously, but for my modest uses, anyway, almost anything will do.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-01  3:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-25 18:52 Make peg.el a built-in library? Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-26  6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 15:34   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-09  4:36     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-19 15:25       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-30 19:44       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-30 20:34         ` Adam Porter
2021-10-01  8:14           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-10-01 18:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-01 18:40             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-02  3:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02  7:32             ` Adam Porter
2021-10-02 14:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02 15:13                 ` Adam Porter
2021-08-26 17:02 ` Adam Porter
2021-08-26 17:25   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-27  3:17   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-27  6:41     ` Helmut Eller
2021-08-27 16:57       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-26 10:59       ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-26 15:06         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-26 18:36           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-27 16:18             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-27 22:34         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-28  3:52           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-28  8:09             ` tomas
2021-09-28  9:32               ` Helmut Eller
2021-09-28 10:45                 ` tomas
2021-09-28 15:24               ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-30  6:04             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-01  3:27               ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2021-10-09  1:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09  5:28   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09  8:12     ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-09 12:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-10  5:49         ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-14 10:25       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09 12:54   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-09 16:47     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-10  4:20       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-10 21:40         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-13  2:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09 16:49   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-10  3:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-10  4:46       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-10  5:58         ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-10 13:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-22 16:33           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-31 23:43           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-15 23:16             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07  3:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-07 19:46   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08  6:57     ` Helmut Eller
2022-11-08  8:51       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-10  4:04       ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-10  5:25         ` tomas
2022-11-10  8:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-10  8:29             ` tomas
2022-11-11  4:36           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-08  8:47     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-08 16:18       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 19:08         ` tomas
2022-11-08 19:42           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16  4:27             ` [PATCH] " Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16  5:07               ` tomas
2022-11-16  5:39                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16 15:53                   ` tomas
2022-11-16  6:24               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-16 18:15                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-17 12:21                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-27  1:46                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-27  8:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-28  1:09                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-28 12:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-25  1:30                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-09-25  2:27                               ` Adam Porter
2023-09-25 13:00                                 ` Alexander Adolf
2024-03-24 14:19                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-24 15:32                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-25  1:45                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-01-11  7:39               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-11  8:04                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-11 11:01                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-11 11:32                     ` tomas
2023-02-05 12:10                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 15:41                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-02-05 15:45                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 16:19                           ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-02-05 16:50                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-09  5:44                         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-06  0:33                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08 14:01     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-08 14:42       ` tomas
2022-11-08 15:08       ` Visuwesh
2022-11-08 16:29         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-02 20:20           ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-11-08 16:10       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 18:59         ` tomas
2022-11-08 19:42           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 22:03             ` Tim Cross

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