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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: Make peg.el a built-in library?
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 10:57:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831qporcz4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878rjxkw4j.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (message from Eric Abrahamsen on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:46:04 -0800)

> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:46:04 -0800
> 
> Here's a new version, that I hope clarifies these questions (instead of
> doing the opposite).

Thanks, a few minor comments below.

> Lastly, nobody with a maintainer's hat on has actually given the green
> light on this, and I assume we'll want to hold off until the next
> version of Emacs is released; anyway it would be good to know what
> Eli/Lars think. I haven't done any NEWS additions or anything, either.

What exactly are you asking about here?

> @c -*-texinfo-*-
> @c This is part of the GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual.

This would mean a suitable change to elisp.texi at the least, and probably
also to another file that is part of the ELisp reference manual sources?

> A @acronym{PEG} parser is defined as a list of named rules, each of
> which match text patterns, and/or contain references to other rules.
        ^^^^^                       ^^^^^^^
"matches" and "contains", in singular.

> Parsing is initiated with the function @code{peg-run} or the macro
> @code{peg-parse}, and parses text after point in the current buffer,
> using a given set of rules.

This function and this macro need to be formally documented with @defun and
@defmac, as we do elsewhere in the ELisp reference.

> The definition of each rule is referred to as a @dfn{parsing
> expression} (@acronym{PEX}), and can consist of a literal string, a

Ideally, each @dfn in the manual should have a @cindex entry, because people
are likely to look up these terms.

> Or set as the value of a variable, and the variable used in a
> combination of calls to @code{with-peg-rules} and @code{peg-run},
> where the ``entry-point'' rule is given explicitly:

This sentence reads awkwardly, because it starts with "Or set".  Suggest to
rephrase:

  Alternatively, use a variable whose value is a grammar, and use it in a
  combination of calls to...

> @example
> (defvar number-grammar
>         '((number sign digit (* digit))
>           (sign (or "+" "-" ""))
>           (digit [0-9])))

Btw, this begs a question: how come the value of the variable is a (quoted)
list, but the value you pass to peg-parse in the previous example was not
quoted?

> By default, calls to @code{peg-run} or @code{peg-parse} produce no
> output: parsing simply moves point.  In order to return or otherwise
> act upon parsed strings, rules can include @dfn{actions}, see
> @xref{Parsing Actions} for more information.

Again, a @cindex for "actions" is in order here.

Also, @xref produces a Capitalized "See", so you want a @ref here, not
@xref.  And please always follow the closing brace of a cross-reference with
a period or a comma, because some versions of Texinfo insist on that.  (The
only exception from this rule is @pxref inside parentheses.)

> Individual rules can also be defined using a more @code{defun}-like
> syntax, using the macro @code{define-peg-rule}:
> 
> @example
> (define-peg-rule digit ()
>   [0-9])
> @end example

define-peg-rule should be documented with a @defmac.

> @node PEX Definitions
> @section PEX Definitions

There should be a @menu in the parent @chapter's node for all the child
@section nodes.  Otherwise, makeinfo will barf.

> @item "abc"
> A literal string.

You don't mean "abc" literally here, do you?  The correct way of expressing
"a string" is

  @item @var{string}

> @item (char C)
> A single character, as an Elisp character literal.

Likewise here:

  @item @var{C}
  A single character @var{C}, as a Lisp character literal.

> @item (* E)
> Zero or more of an expression, as the regexp ``*''.  Matching is
> always ``greedy''.

Likewise.  Basically, all the elements here are meta-syntactic variables:
they stand for something else.  The right markup for them is @var.

Also, "zero or more of an expression" reads awkwardly.  I don't even think I
understand what you mean.

And please quote regexps using @samp, not literal quotes (here and
elsewhere).

> @item (+ E)
> One or more of an expression, as the regexp ``+''.  Matching is always
> ``greedy''.

Likewise about "one or more of an expression".

> @item (opt E)
> Zero or one of an expression, as the regexp ``?''.

Same.

> @item (range A B)
> The character range between A and B, as the regexp ``[A-B]''.

It is better to use CH1 and CH2 instead of A and B.

> @item [a-b "+*" ?x]
> A character set, including ranges, literal characters, or strings of
> characters.

Same comment about a and b.

> @vindex peg-char-classes
> Named character classes include the following:

Instead of listing them, just use a cross-reference to the node where
classes are documented as part of regexp syntax.

> The first action pushes the initial value of point to the stack.  The
> intervening @acronym{PEX} moves point over the next word. The second
                                                          ^^
Two spaces there.

> action pops the previous value from the stack (binding it to the
> variable @code{start}), and uses that value to extract a substring
> from the buffer and push it to the stack.  This pattern is so common
> that peg.el provides a shorthand function that does exactly the above,
       ^^^^^^
@file{peg.el}.  Or maybe just @acronym{PEG}.

> @item (substring E)
> Match @acronym{PEX} E and push the matched string to the stack.

Same comments here regarding @var markup of meta-syntactic variables.

> @item (replace E "repl")
> Match E and replaced the matched region with the string "repl".

"repl" is not a literal string, it's a meta-syntactic variable, just like E.

Finally, this needs a lot of index entries to make it a useful reference
that is easily looked up for stuff.

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-27  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-25 18:52 Make peg.el a built-in library? Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-26  6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 15:34   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-09  4:36     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-19 15:25       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-30 19:44       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-30 20:34         ` Adam Porter
2021-10-01  8:14           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-10-01 18:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-01 18:40             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-02  3:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02  7:32             ` Adam Porter
2021-10-02 14:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02 15:13                 ` Adam Porter
2021-08-26 17:02 ` Adam Porter
2021-08-26 17:25   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-27  3:17   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-27  6:41     ` Helmut Eller
2021-08-27 16:57       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-26 10:59       ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-26 15:06         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-26 18:36           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-27 16:18             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-27 22:34         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-28  3:52           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-28  8:09             ` tomas
2021-09-28  9:32               ` Helmut Eller
2021-09-28 10:45                 ` tomas
2021-09-28 15:24               ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-30  6:04             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-01  3:27               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-09  1:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09  5:28   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09  8:12     ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-09 12:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-10  5:49         ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-14 10:25       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09 12:54   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-09 16:47     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-10  4:20       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-10 21:40         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-13  2:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-09 16:49   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-10  3:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-10  4:46       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-10  5:58         ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-10 13:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-22 16:33           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-31 23:43           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-15 23:16             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-07  3:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-07 19:46   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08  6:57     ` Helmut Eller
2022-11-08  8:51       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-10  4:04       ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-10  5:25         ` tomas
2022-11-10  8:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-10  8:29             ` tomas
2022-11-11  4:36           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-08  8:47     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-08 16:18       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 19:08         ` tomas
2022-11-08 19:42           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16  4:27             ` [PATCH] " Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16  5:07               ` tomas
2022-11-16  5:39                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-16 15:53                   ` tomas
2022-11-16  6:24               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-16 18:15                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-17 12:21                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-27  1:46                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-27  8:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-11-28  1:09                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-28 12:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-25  1:30                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-09-25  2:27                               ` Adam Porter
2023-09-25 13:00                                 ` Alexander Adolf
2024-03-24 14:19                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-24 15:32                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-25  1:45                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-01-11  7:39               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-11  8:04                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-11 11:01                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-11 11:32                     ` tomas
2023-02-05 12:10                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 15:41                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-02-05 15:45                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 16:19                           ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-02-05 16:50                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-09  5:44                         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-06  0:33                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08 14:01     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-08 14:42       ` tomas
2022-11-08 15:08       ` Visuwesh
2022-11-08 16:29         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-02 20:20           ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-11-08 16:10       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 18:59         ` tomas
2022-11-08 19:42           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-11-08 22:03             ` Tim Cross

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