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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>
Cc: johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com,
	angelo.graziosi@alice.it
Subject: Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:31:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83mvqxrqql.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vb5l664f.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Thu,  18 Feb 2016 22:49:52 +0100)

> From: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>
> Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, johnw@gnu.org, angelo.graziosi@alice.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:49:52 +0100
> 
> >> I think the main difference is that as a user, I can decide *not* to use
> >> Customize to set a particular defcustom. I can use a setq in my init
> >> file instead.
> >
> > Can't you do the same with the list of installed packages?
> 
> Can I? It was my understanding that package.el will write the list of
> user-installed packages to custom-set-variables and there's no way for
> the user to prevent this from happening. A quick look at the code of
> package.el (on emacs-25 and on master) seems to suggest this is indeed
> the case: `package--save-selected-packages' is added to
> `after-init-hook' and the function itself appears to save the package
> list unconditionally.

Is package--save-selected-packages called every time package.el is
invoked, even if the user doesn't change the list of the selected
packages?  If so, this is the problem we must solve -- package.el
shouldn't write anything to user files if nothing's changed in the
selected packages.

Otherwise, the user could install a package, edit their .emacs to
convert the custom-set-variables forms into setq, and then write more
complex Lisp if the init file needs to be shared across different
systems with different collections of packages on each system, like
they have to do with any other customization that is system-dependent.

Will this solve the issue?



  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-19  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-17  9:27 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-17 23:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18  1:04   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18  1:43   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 17:28       ` Colin Baxter
2016-02-18 17:35         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-18 18:06       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 20:34           ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-18 21:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 21:49               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-19  9:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-02-19  9:47                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-19 13:04                   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 15:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 18:29                       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 19:05                           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-19 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 23:56                               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-22  0:10                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-22  3:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 21:00                                   ` Bastian Beischer
2016-02-19  4:18           ` alex
2016-02-19  9:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 21:15               ` alex
2016-02-20  7:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:25       ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-18 18:54         ` Mechanisms to persist information Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:22           ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2016-02-20  2:17         ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') John Wiegley
2016-02-20  4:44           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-02-18 18:45       ` Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' John Wiegley
2016-02-19  4:17       ` alex
     [not found]       ` <vYxebPyde_BnqKsA6mXLVX-_dj3rDIchNBYl3O1LxNhGCR7etgi0R4ZR7de5PU1TZXk9R4YsCjNxqkoh5lBR3Q==@protonmail.com>
2016-02-19  9:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 22:55           ` alex
2016-02-20  8:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-05  0:40               ` alex
2016-02-18 16:19   ` raman
2016-02-18 18:55     ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18 19:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-17  3:39 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'? alex
2016-02-17  4:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17 10:02   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:52     ` Aaron Ecay
2016-02-17 12:43   ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 10:14 ` Colin Baxter

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