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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Overlay mechanic improvements
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:35:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838ul1kqwn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871tqtjd1l.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:20:06 +0200
> 
> Since preview-latex is trivial to install via ELPA (as it's included in
> AUCTeX), I am somewhat at a loss figuring out what point people are
> trying to make by stating that they are not going to bother looking at
> it, preferring me to type descriptions for hours.

I doubt that just installing preview-latex would give me the insight
into the issues you were alluding to, without some serious study of
the code.

> Emacs does not offer any default support for rendering images on-demand
> from source code in a buffer.  The pipelines that preview-latex can be
> something like
> 
> buffer -> LaTeX -> Dvips -> Ghostscript -> PNG
> buffer -> PDFLaTeX -> pdftodsc -> Ghostscript -> PNG
> buffer -> LaTeX -> Dvipng -> PNG
> 
> It will also run several of those in parallel, like running
> LaTeX->Dvipng but falling back to Dvips->Ghostscript for those images
> which contain embedded PostScript.  The Ghostscript pipeline will render
> the on-screen images first to make for better interactive response.  In
> addition to the images, LaTeX produces geometry, baseline, source
> location and various other info (for example, default font size in order
> to match the rendering scale to the current default screen font) which
> is parsed by Emacs and used for integrating the resulting images in the
> right place and scale into the originating buffer.
> 
> So there are prioritized rendering pipelines and information side paths
> that deliver information crucial for tying the image stream back into
> the proper buffer locations, with proper scale and baseline.
> 
> There is other stuff like being able to paste text plus images into MIME
> mails (with the obvious loss of baseline and other formatting
> information, but for display math it is somewhat helpful), and desktop
> mode saving and restoring the images associated with a buffer.
> 
> All of that is not specific to LaTeX, and Emacs does not really provide
> anything helpful for creating that kind of facility apart from the
> display feature itself and the possibility to run processes and process
> filters.

Thanks, this is the information I was missing.




  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-30 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-19 14:59 Overlay mechanic improvements Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-19 17:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 13:19   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 13:37     ` David Kastrup
2014-09-21 13:35       ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 13:52         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-21 21:48           ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 22:06             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-22 23:11               ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-22 23:50                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-23 19:15                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 16:07         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 16:14           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-21 21:48             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 22:19               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-23 19:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-23 19:27                   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-28 23:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-29  5:45                       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-29 20:48                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-30  1:21                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-30  8:43                             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-30 10:35                               ` Rasmus
2014-09-30 14:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-30 16:20                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-30 16:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-09-30 14:32                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-02 16:12                                 ` Uwe Brauer
2014-09-30 19:23                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-01  3:38                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-01 12:53                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-01 13:11                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-10-02  1:26                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-30  5:52                           ` David Kastrup
2014-10-06 19:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-06 21:02                               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-21 16:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 18:42             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 18:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 20:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 21:48           ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-22  0:31             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-22 23:11               ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 15:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-20 19:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 13:36       ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 18:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20  8:08   ` Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-20 13:21     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 16:28       ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 13:21     ` Tokenizing Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 16:24       ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:40         ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-20 20:16           ` Tokenizing Eric Ludlam
2014-09-20 20:35             ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-21 15:13             ` parsing (was tokenizing) Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:36       ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-20 19:55         ` Tokenizing Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 15:35           ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake
2014-09-21 16:43             ` Tokenizing Stefan Monnier
2014-09-22 14:05               ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake
2014-09-21 13:35         ` Tokenizing Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 14:24           ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-21 15:32         ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake
2014-09-21 16:42           ` Tokenizing Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 18:55           ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-21 22:01             ` Tokenizing Daniel Colascione
2014-09-22 10:21               ` Tokenizing Vladimir Kazanov
2014-09-22 13:55                 ` Tokenizing Daniel Colascione
2014-09-22 14:02               ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake
2014-09-22 14:14                 ` Tokenizing Daniel Colascione
2014-09-22 13:15             ` Tokenizing Stephen Leake

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