From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bidi and shaping problems in describe-input-method
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 12:27:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8362eczr73.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r4x1uptx.fsf@m17n.org>
> From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:55:54 +0900
> Cc: list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> The function body I wrote is just an idea, not a complete
> solution, and of cource checking against L is apparently
> a bug. At least we must check against R (and AL).
>
> > > > Also, `lower' and `upper' could be strings, in which case you need a
> > > > more complex test.
> > >
> > > We can give (if (string lower) (aref lower 0) lower) to that
> > > function.
>
> > But that doesn't DTRT. Here's an example where it will fail: ".A".
>
> Why?
I was explaining why testing for L is not TRT.
> ... | LU | LU | ...
>
> What we want is to display the left LU to the left of the
> right LU, and display each L (character or string) to the
> right of the corresponding U.
>
> Even if the L (of the left LU) is ".A", we don't need LRM
> for it. We have to insert LRM only before a character that
> may reorder the previous characters, and after a character that
> may reorder the following character. Isn't it right?
You are describing what bidi-string-mark-left-to-right does, I
believe. Note that it will still insert LRM in some cases where it is
not strictly needed.
> > I tried also a different solution: enclose each row of the keyboard
> > layout in an L2R override embedding, LRO..PDF. This inserts only 2
> > control characters per row, and doesn't insert them inside the
> > keyboard cells, so it is cleaner, I think. But using this means that
> > no key description in the layout can be a string that requires
> > reordering individually. (By contrast, inserting an LRM between the
> > lower and the upper key still allows each description to be
> > reordered.) Can we live with such a restriction? I don't know enough
> > about Quail to tell.
>
> As it's possible to assign a string to a key, there will be
> the case that the characters in the string must be
> reordered. In the above case, if L is a hebrew "שלום", it
> must be reordered. But, even if we surround that word with
> LRE and PDF, the word itself is reordered correctly, right?
Yes. But surrounding each `lower' and `upper' key labels in the
layout with LRE..PDF inserts even more bidirectional control
characters than just inserting LRM. By contrast, using LRO..PDF
around the whole row of keys inserts just 2 such characters, so if it
were not for the need to reorder the individual key labels, LRO..PDF
would be a better alternative. I mentioned it because it does exactly
what you originally asked for: it effectively disables
bidi-display-reordering inside the embedded text, while still leaving
the rest of the buffer reordered as usual.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-10 10:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-06 22:17 bidi and shaping problems in describe-input-method Mohsen BANAN
2012-03-07 4:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-07 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-07 21:32 ` Mohsen BANAN
2012-03-08 15:30 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-08 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-08 23:48 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-09 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-09 14:03 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-09 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-10 2:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-10 10:27 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2012-03-12 7:47 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-12 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-13 0:58 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-13 3:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-22 4:26 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-22 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-23 1:41 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-23 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-22 21:59 ` Mohsen BANAN
2012-03-13 5:46 ` Mohsen BANAN
2012-03-09 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-08 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-08 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-08 23:27 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-08 23:19 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-09 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-09 9:01 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-03-09 9:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-09 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-09 14:11 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-09 11:19 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-03-09 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-09 14:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-03-09 13:54 ` Kenichi Handa
2012-03-09 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-03-08 4:30 ` Miles Bader
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