Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Kim F. Storm]

A long time ago, when I first started using emacs, one of the first
key bindings which I decided to change was: C-x C-c

Both C-x and C-c are used very frequently as prefix keys, and being
located right next to each other, I found it just too easy to hit
both by mistake.

Now that CUA has arrived, using C-x and C-c will become even more
frequent for some users...

I'm using C-x C-c C-x instead of C-x C-c to exit emacs:

(global-set-key "\C-x\C-c"	'nil)
(global-set-key "\C-x\C-c\C-x"	'save-buffers-kill-emacs)

I find it trivial to type that extra C-x, but contrary to the standard
binding, I've _NEVER_ entered the C-x C-c C-x sequence by mistake.


     So, I propose to change the default binding to C-x C-c C-x.
     ===========================================================


Naturally, changing a long-lived binding like that may aggrevate a lot
of old users, but my belief is that they will quickly adapt (or install
the old binding :-)


I guess we could help them on the way like this:

They enter C-x C-c   ... and they expect something to happen...

A few secs later, C-x C-c- appears in the echo area, so they'll know
they are expected to type another character.  

Of course, they wont know what to type next the first time they get
that far [unless they have read the NEWS file of course], but we could
bind C-x C-c C-h and C-x C-c ? to a message saying to use C-x C-c C-x
to exit emacs.

WDYT?

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[nferrier]

no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:

> WDYT?

I like the idea personally, I often (oncve a week) mistype the exit
when I mean something else. Mostly my finger slips on an unfamiliar
keyboard.

I have never installed a fix because I use emacs in lots of different
places where it's more hassle than it's worth to keep a .emacs file up
to date.


Nic

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Glenn Morris]

Kim F. Storm wrote:

> Both C-x and C-c are used very frequently as prefix keys, and being
> located right next to each other, I found it just too easy to hit
> both by mistake.

I still do that a lot. But

(setq confirm-kill-emacs 'y-or-n-p)

works fine for me to prevent accidental emacsicide.

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Richard Stallman]

I don't think it is necessary to change this--I don't think
most users exit Emacs by mistake.

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Rafael Sepúlveda]

no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:

> I find it trivial to type that extra C-x, but contrary to the standard
> binding, I've _NEVER_ entered the C-x C-c C-x sequence by mistake.

>      So, I propose to change the default binding to C-x C-c C-x.
>      ===========================================================

I also had that problem, but I solve it in another way: Before emacs21
I had a function that asked me if I was sure if I wanted to exit. Now
with emacs21 you can set:

(setq confirm-kill-emacs 'y-or-n-p)

and it will ask you if you're sure if you want to exit. I haven't
quitted emacs by accident since then.

Usually I hate this kind of things on a program, but I find it
convenient in emacs, because I almost never quit from it.

           Rafael

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Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Colin Walters]

On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 11:24, Kim F. Storm wrote:

> (global-set-key "\C-x\C-c\C-x"	'save-buffers-kill-emacs)

I personally use:

(global-set-key (kbd "C-M-A-H-S-s-e") 'save-buffers-kill-emacs)

I haven't exited Emacs accidentally since.

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Miles Bader]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:52:53PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> I personally use:
> 
> (global-set-key (kbd "C-M-A-H-S-s-e") 'save-buffers-kill-emacs)
> 
> I haven't exited Emacs accidentally since.

I guess the question is:  Is it _possible_ to exit emacs using that binding?

-Miles
-- 
P.S.  All information contained in the above letter is false,
      for reasons of military security.

Re: Escaping from emacs is too easy :-)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:03:29 -0400
> 
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:52:53PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> > I personally use:
> > 
> > (global-set-key (kbd "C-M-A-H-S-s-e") 'save-buffers-kill-emacs)
> > 
> > I haven't exited Emacs accidentally since.
> 
> I guess the question is:  Is it _possible_ to exit emacs using that binding?

Well, there's always the "Files->Exit Emacs" menu item ;-)