From: "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-26: `with-eval-after-load' docstring omission
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:53:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e07d7b4-f1f7-0d5d-5f2a-b5e491ab4303@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy3jeqi3d.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>
On 2018-02-27 15:58, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> (defun FUN () EXP)
> (eval-after-load FILE '(FUN))
> ≠
> (eval-after-load FILE 'EXP)
>
> [ Well, of course, this equivalence is actually true as well given the
> current compiler-macro, but I'm assuming above that we undo this
> compiler macro. ]
>
> IOW, the behavior you seem to want is semantically a good bit more messy.
Is that because macroexpansion happens eagerly in the body of the defun, too?
I guess I just don't expect that to happen unless the file is byte-compiled, really :/
> In your case, you do want the quote because you need to delay
> macro-expansion, but I think it's cleaner to solve this problem by
> *explicitly* using a quote, rather than by relying on the messy
> semantics of the macro/function you happen to be using.
I'm not sure I follow: doesn't the compiler macro mean that even explicitly using a quote isn't enough?
> E.g. your exact same problem could show up if you used, say,
> (add-hook 'flycheck-mode-hook ...)
> instead of
> (with-eval-after-load ...)
> but you wouldn't ask for a change in add-hook to "solve" your problem.
Would the problem there be that the body of the lambda I'd pass to add-hook would be eagerly macro-expanded?
I think the big difference between these two is that I expect `with-eval-after-load` to really behave differently, and the reason for expecting that is that we don't otherwise have a convenient way to delay macroexpansion and execution of a form until a file is loaded, right?
Maybe we need a `with-macroexp-and-eval-after-load`?
Clément.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-28 14:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-23 13:42 emacs-26: `with-eval-after-load' docstring omission Vicente Vera
2018-02-23 14:16 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-24 14:42 ` Vicente Vera
2018-02-27 20:40 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-27 20:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-28 14:53 ` Clément Pit-Claudel [this message]
2018-02-28 23:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-17 6:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-17 14:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-13 16:00 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-13 18:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-13 18:28 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-13 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-13 22:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-27 20:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-03 15:06 ` Vicente Vera
2018-03-03 15:38 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-03 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-04 16:04 ` Vicente Vera
2018-03-05 3:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 1:00 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-09 4:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 0:47 ` Vicente Vera
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