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From: "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:36:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AE1DFD7-9117-4F1C-B393-28EC39597850@swipnet.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wl1ua9emke.wl%mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>

Hello.

17 apr 2013 kl. 07:46 skrev YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>:

>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:08:25 +0200, Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> said:
> 
>> 17 apr 2013 kl. 01:52 skrev YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>:
>>> 
>>> My proof-of-concept cairo port was primarily intended for the printing
>>> support, not for screen drawing (though it does both).
>>> 
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-04/msg00390.html
>>> 
>>> Screen drawing in the cairo port is not so efficient for several
>>> reasons.  To make it more efficient, one would need some modest
>>> modifications to the current drawing model in Emacs.
>>> 
>>> 1. Don't draw during redisplay, but mark the updated area dirty so
>>> the upcoming exposure event can trigger the actual redraw for the
>>> area to be updated.
>>> 2. Restrict the actual drawings to those in response to exposure
>>> events.  This is the standard way in GTK+ and Cocoa.  That would
>>> make double-buffering straightforward in GTK+ builds.
> 
>> Double buffering in the Gtk+ is not turned off because of the expose
>> handler, but because Gtk+ can not double buffer text/images not
>> drawn with Gtk/Gdk primitives, and Emacs uses X primitives.  So
>> changing the way expose handler works does absolutely nothing to
>> make Gtk+ double buffering easier.
> 
> That would be correct in itself.  But my description above is in the
> context of cairo.  The cairo context passed via the expose handler is
> automatically double-buffered.
> 

This is not just for cairo. Gtk+ double buffers anything drawn with Gtk in the expose handler. For example, menus and toolbar in a Gtk Emacs are double buffered.

If moving things to the expose handler is considered, one must take into account non-Gtk X11 builds. X11 does not have a mechanism for invalidating regions for the purpose of generating an expose event. Gtk+ generates syntetic (internal) expose events.  I guess we could do the same, but it is work to be done by someone(tm).

I also suspect the synchronous nature of Elisp would make this complicated. For example, if Lisp code adds text or image to a buffer, the text or image would be visible to the user at some point in the future, not when the Lisp code is done. Unless some synchronization is added between Lisp code and the expose handler. 

     Jan D. 




  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-17  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 320+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-10  9:29 Emacs Mac port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-06-11  0:36 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-06-11  7:29 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-07 18:10   ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-07 18:13     ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-08 11:15       ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-08 14:16         ` Samuel Bronson
2012-07-08 14:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-08 14:58             ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-26  9:45 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-26 21:50   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-08-08  6:01     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-08-27  7:40   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-09-06  1:35     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-09-18  9:37       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-09-20  8:51         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-10-27  4:57     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-11-25  7:26       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-11-25 10:39         ` Leo
2012-11-25 10:59           ` chad
2012-11-25 12:05             ` Leo
2012-11-26  3:26           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-11-25 19:05         ` Glenn Morris
2012-11-26  2:14           ` Leo
2012-11-26  2:46             ` John Wiegley
2012-11-26 20:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-26 21:46               ` chad
2012-11-27  2:35                 ` Leo
2012-11-27  4:32                 ` Jan Djärv
2012-11-27 19:33                   ` chad
2012-12-01 14:04                     ` Donald Curtis
2012-12-03 18:58                       ` Jan Djärv
2012-11-27  2:34               ` Leo
2012-12-16  5:07         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-01-11  7:28           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-02-09  7:26             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-02-11 12:53               ` Piotr Kalinowski
2013-02-14 12:02               ` Pavlo Martynenko
2013-02-15 15:48                 ` Piotr Kalinowski
2013-02-15 16:03                   ` Dmitry Antipov
2013-02-15 18:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-15 19:27                     ` Glenn Morris
2013-02-16  6:46                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-02-16  8:21                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-02-16 11:08                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-03-05  6:02               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-03-11  3:41                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-11  9:22                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-14  6:31                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-14 11:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-15  2:17                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-15  5:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-15  7:59                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-15  8:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-15  9:48                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-15 10:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-16  0:17                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-16  2:11                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-16  6:49                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-16 10:15                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-16 10:48                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-16 13:20                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-16 14:38                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-16 23:52                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-17  5:08                                               ` Jan Djärv
2013-04-17  5:46                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-17  6:36                                                   ` Jan Djärv [this message]
2013-04-19  3:58                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-19  7:08                                                       ` Jan Djärv
2013-04-22  8:54                                           ` Nix
2013-04-23  3:18                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-04-17  1:09                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-05-11  6:43                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-09-21  9:23                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-10-24  8:40                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-10-24  9:47                           ` Leo Liu
2013-10-24 10:18                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-10-25  0:56                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-10-25  4:38                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-10-27  6:42                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-11-06  8:18                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-12-27  8:29                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-02-27 10:03                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-04-01  1:10                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-04-03 15:12                                   ` David Reitter
2014-04-03 17:30                                     ` Leo Liu
2014-04-04  0:44                                       ` Chris Van Dusen
2014-04-04  1:24                                         ` Xu Xin
2014-04-04  1:59                                           ` Chris Van Dusen
2014-04-04  0:07                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-04-14  3:00                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-04-14  8:16                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-05-12  8:42                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-06-27  8:24                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-08-15  6:19                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-10-02  3:54                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-10-03 14:27                                             ` Angelo Graziosi
2014-10-03 21:25                                               ` Xin Xu
2014-10-03 23:20                                                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2014-10-04  8:28                                                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2014-10-06  4:21                                             ` Kazu Yamamoto
2014-10-06  8:21                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-10-08  2:51                                                 ` Kazu Yamamoto
2014-10-17 23:30                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-10-21  4:44                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-10-21  5:18                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-11-03  7:08                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-11-03 12:56                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-11-04  3:40                                                   ` Leo Liu
2014-11-21  4:36                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-11-27  1:43                                                   ` Kazu Yamamoto
2014-11-28  0:36                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2014-11-28  6:14                                                   ` Sam Steingold
2015-01-29  3:51                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-02-18 10:13                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-02-18 10:34                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-03-09  8:45                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-03-27 10:55                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-03-31 18:07                                                           ` Sam Steingold
2015-03-31 18:42                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-03-31 19:00                                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-04-01  0:06                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-04-01 17:21                                                                 ` Sam Steingold
2015-04-01 20:58                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-02  0:04                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-04-05 23:55                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-04-11  1:30                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-04-11 22:28                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-05-17  6:04                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-07-13  4:29                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-08-25  1:56                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-09-27  8:24                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-10-30  2:52                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-10-31  2:39                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-09  3:28                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-13  4:19                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-24 10:29                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-24 17:28                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-28  7:51                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-28  8:44                                                                                       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-12-29  6:47                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29  9:40                                                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-12-29 10:43                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-29 11:18                                                                                             ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-30  6:09                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-30  6:26                                                                                                 ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-30  6:09                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-28 20:29                                                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-12-28 22:35                                                                                         ` David Engster
2015-12-28 22:54                                                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29  6:51                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29 13:24                                                                                               ` Rasmus
2015-12-31  6:30                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-31 19:50                                                                                                   ` Chad Brown
2015-12-31 21:36                                                                                                     ` Random832
2016-01-04 22:31                                                                                                       ` Xu Xin
2016-01-05  0:26                                                                                                         ` Andrés Ramírez
2016-01-01  2:29                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-01  6:54                                                                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-01  7:36                                                                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-01-01  7:47                                                                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-01-01 17:01                                                                                                         ` Ingo Lohmar
2016-01-01 19:35                                                                                                           ` Bozhidar Batsov
2016-01-02  7:54                                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-01-02 22:21                                                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-01-03  7:13                                                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-01-03 12:36                                                                                                                   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2016-01-04  0:38                                                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-01-04  0:42                                                                                                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-05  1:00                                                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-01-05  2:00                                                                                                                           ` Chad Brown
2016-01-05  4:53                                                                                                                             ` John Wiegley
2016-01-06 10:14                                                                                                                               ` Alan Schmitt
2016-01-05 10:50                                                                                                                             ` Martin Yrjölä
2016-01-05 12:37                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2016-01-05 13:48                                                                                                                             ` Paul Michael Reilly
2016-01-03 22:49                                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:14                                                                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:50                                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-30  6:11                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-30 19:57                                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-30 20:54                                                                                                     ` Chad Brown
2015-12-31  0:41                                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2015-12-31  1:06                                                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-31  8:28                                                                                                     ` Adrian.B.Robert
2015-12-29 18:00                                                                                               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-29 18:09                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-29 18:19                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-12-29 19:07                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-29 21:46                                                                                                       ` Alex Dunn
2015-12-29 22:37                                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 22:57                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2015-12-29 23:23                                                                                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-12-30  9:44                                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-12-30  6:15                                                                                                           ` CHENG Gao
2015-12-29 18:30                                                                                                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-29 18:57                                                                                                     ` Christopher W Carpenter
2015-12-29 19:03                                                                                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-29 19:53                                                                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 20:03                                                                                                         ` Christopher W Carpenter
2015-12-30  6:11                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-30 10:32                                                                                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-31  6:30                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-30 10:39                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2016-04-22 23:51                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-04-30  5:57                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-05-01  9:06                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-06-26  4:12                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-07-25  4:44                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-08-22  0:37                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-08-22  7:31                                                                                           ` Marius Kjeldahl
2016-08-22 10:41                                                                                             ` Marius Kjeldahl
2016-08-23  0:07                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-08-23  9:02                                                                                                 ` Alan Third
2016-08-24  1:54                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-08-29 19:56                                                                                                     ` [PATCH] Fix synthetic bold on macOS retina displays Alan Third
2016-09-18  6:39                                                                                           ` Emacs Mac port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-09-18  7:32                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2016-09-18  7:48                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-09-18  8:15                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2016-09-18  8:39                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-09-18  9:52                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2016-09-18 14:46                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-18 15:15                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-09-18 15:41                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-18 17:06                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2016-09-18 17:19                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-19  8:19                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2016-09-19  2:01                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-09-19  8:19                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2016-09-19  8:42                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2016-10-30  5:55                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-02-04  5:46                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-02-05  2:35                                                                                                 ` Xu Xin
2017-02-05  2:41                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-04-21 23:54                                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-05-22  3:31                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-07-27  4:54                                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-08-24  1:14                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-09-12  5:31                                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-09-13  3:46                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-09-26  2:28                                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-10-12  8:12                                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-04-15  7:55                                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-05-29  3:45                                                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-06-10  6:09                                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-09-09  1:11                                                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-10-24  3:58                                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-11-06  7:51                                                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-11-16  9:56                                                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-12-21 22:28                                                                                                                           ` Leo Liu
2018-12-21 22:59                                                                                                                             ` Tim Cross
2018-12-23  3:40                                                                                                                               ` Leo Liu
2018-12-22  7:31                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22  5:28                                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-03-22  9:43                                                                                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 18:11                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 23:14                                                                                                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-23  0:15                                                                                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-23 11:57                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Third
2019-03-27 19:40                                                                                                                                     ` Charles A. Roelli
2019-03-24  1:44                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-24  6:10                                                                                                                                     ` Van L
2019-04-14  6:32                                                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-08-23  5:50                                                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-08-29  0:54                                                                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-10-08  3:40                                                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-12-03  8:10                                                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-12-03  9:02                                                                                                                                     ` Pankaj Jangid
2019-12-04  1:08                                                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-12-04 10:45                                                                                                                                         ` VanL
2019-12-05  0:44                                                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-12-05  5:16                                                                                                                                             ` VanL
2019-12-05  7:03                                                                                                                                               ` VanL
2019-12-04 12:09                                                                                                                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2019-12-05  1:01                                                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-12-05  4:07                                                                                                                                             ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-03-23  5:34                                                                                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2020-03-24  3:25                                                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2020-04-04 11:22                                                                                                                                         ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-04-04 11:33                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-04 11:46                                                                                                                                             ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-04-04 12:02                                                                                                                                               ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-08-11  4:17                                                                                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2020-11-12  8:09                                                                                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2020-11-12  8:34                                                                                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12  9:35                                                                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2021-03-27  7:59                                                                                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2021-11-13  7:51                                                                                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2021-11-13 12:22                                                                                                                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-11-22 13:33                                                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2021-11-22 14:55                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-23  6:16                                                                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2021-11-23  7:08                                                                                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-11-23 12:33                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-06  8:12                                                                                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2022-09-13  2:19                                                                                                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2023-08-05  9:05                                                                                                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2013-03-11 18:58                 ` Current HEAD doesn't build on OSX Randal L. Schwartz
2013-03-11 19:43                   ` Randal L. Schwartz
2013-03-12 10:44                   ` Darren Hoo
2013-03-12 11:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-12 13:52                       ` Tassilo Horn
2013-03-12 15:02                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2013-03-12 16:04                     ` Glenn Morris
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-04-23 13:03 Emacs Mac port Angelo Graziosi
2016-04-24 19:40 ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-04-25  0:30   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-10-16 16:01 Konrad Podczeck
2017-10-17  1:41 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-10-30  7:38   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-10-30  8:25     ` martin rudalics
2017-10-30  8:57       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2017-10-31  8:41         ` martin rudalics
2017-10-30 12:43     ` Konrad Podczeck
2018-11-19  7:21 Aaron Madlon-Kay
2018-11-20  0:35 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2018-11-20  1:07   ` Aaron Madlon-Kay
2018-11-20 10:47     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-03-22 19:27 Konrad Podczeck

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