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From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tab bar
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:59:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47FAB55A.80102@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wsnaso3h.fsf@jurta.org>

Juri Linkov wrote:


>  I think we should do this as soon as possible because
> this single feature can improve Emacs usability for most users that expect
> a tab bar is a standard editor feature.
> 
> 


I think someone's already mentioned this several threads ago: there
needs to be some clear separation of concerns regarding "tab bars"

tabs in tab bars themselves are just gui widgets nothing more -  Indeed
much like icons in tool bars, just drawn a bit differently.  I don't
see why emacs shouldn't support a tab bar GUI widget or multiple widgets
(say toplevel tab bar for each toplevel frame, and tab bars for each
window (emacs window), perhaps with configurable positions)

But people keep talking about various other editors' features that are
"hung off" tabs kind of as if they _are_ what tabs are - such features,
while perhaps exposed to the user through tab widgets, should be clearly
separated from the tab GUI widget itself.

e.g. in some editors and browsers, clicking on tab-shaped GUI widgets
might well switch between top-level-frame-like things/ intra-app
subwindow configurations, perspectives... or they may just tab through
several pages of toolbars with tiny little icons (gah! I hate that), or
just switch buffers (therefore being considered attached to the
subwindow not the toplevel), or whatever.   They tend to be for
switching between stuff as a matter of convention, but what they switch
between varies.

(Personally I've always considered the top-level-frame-switcher sort of
tab bar rightly a tabbing WM's job (e.g. pwm), really, but that's not
the way people went for the most part, presumably since you don't see
tabbing WMs on windows/mac -  but if you're using a tabbing WM, then
multiple emacs toplevel frames can _already_ be tabbed between in the
"one" window system window, and the advent of browser "tabs" was pretty
uninteresting too...)





















  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-07 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-22 21:45 Neat features in Eclipse editor Richard Stallman
2008-03-22 21:56 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-22 21:36   ` Tom Tromey
2008-03-22 23:09   ` Leo
2008-03-23 14:18     ` William Xu
2008-03-23  2:27   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-23  9:53     ` joakim
2008-03-23 10:50       ` martin rudalics
2008-03-23 10:54       ` martin rudalics
2008-03-23 19:35         ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-03-23 19:39           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-23 21:06             ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-03-23 21:42               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-23 19:49           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25  8:11           ` dtm
2008-03-24  0:53       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-24  0:54       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24 19:02         ` joakim
2008-03-25  1:06           ` Bastien
2008-03-25 18:31             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 19:19               ` Rajappa Iyer
2008-03-26  1:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-26  4:46                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25  1:50           ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-18 13:25             ` joakim
2008-04-19  2:23               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24  0:53   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24 18:47     ` paul r
2008-03-25  1:50       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25  3:53         ` Window configuration UI (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Stefan Monnier
2008-03-25 10:54           ` Window configuration UI Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 18:13             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-26  4:47           ` Window configuration UI (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Richard Stallman
2008-03-26  9:41             ` Window configuration UI Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 22:26               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27  2:14                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-27 19:41                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-29 16:27                   ` Michael Sperber
2008-03-31  2:41           ` Window configuration UI (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Nick Roberts
2008-03-31 16:25             ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-01  3:00               ` Window configuration UI Stefan Monnier
2008-04-01 21:04                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 10:08         ` Neat features in Eclipse editor paul r
2008-03-25 10:55           ` David Reitter
2008-03-25 11:35             ` paul r
2008-03-25 21:00               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 22:10                 ` paul r
2008-03-26  1:50                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-03-26 22:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 21:01           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 21:16             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 23:17               ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-26  2:23               ` Evans Winner
2008-03-26  7:09               ` Jan Djärv
2008-03-26  7:18                 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-26 22:25               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 22:38                 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-03-26 22:57                   ` paul r
2008-03-26 23:20                     ` Sebastian Rose
2008-03-27  6:57                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27  0:22                     ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-27  0:17                   ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-27 19:41                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 20:18                     ` Sebastian Rose
2008-03-27  0:18                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25  0:48   ` Bastien
2008-03-24  1:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-24 12:29   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24 18:24     ` joakim
2008-03-25  1:50       ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-06 20:52 ` Tab bar (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Juri Linkov
2008-04-06 23:07   ` Tab bar David Koppelman
2008-04-06 23:48     ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-07  0:05       ` David Koppelman
2008-04-07  0:32         ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-07 14:59           ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-07 23:27             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-08 15:35               ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-08 15:50                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-08 16:58                   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-09 10:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-09 23:27                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-07 14:59       ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-07 15:33         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-07 23:31           ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-08  0:21             ` Drew Adams
2008-04-08  2:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-08 22:11               ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  2:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-09  8:45                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  9:34                     ` Paul R
2008-04-09 14:12                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-08 13:58           ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2008-04-08 14:21             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-08 15:55               ` Paul R
2008-04-08 16:04                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-08 16:24                   ` Paul R
2008-04-08 16:25                   ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2008-04-08 20:10                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-08 21:16                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-04-08 21:47                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-09  2:50                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-04-09  8:50                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  7:55                           ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-09 10:34                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-09 14:59                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-08 22:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  8:12                           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-09  8:52                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-08 16:50                 ` Ehud Karni
2008-04-07 16:09         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-07 16:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-07 23:35             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-08 15:36             ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-09  1:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-09 10:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-07 23:28         ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-07  1:37   ` Tab bar (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Drew Adams
2008-04-07 14:59     ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-07 16:09       ` Drew Adams
2008-04-07 23:35         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-04-07 23:33     ` Tab bar Juri Linkov
2008-04-07 15:00   ` Tab bar (was: Neat features in Eclipse editor) Richard Stallman
2008-04-07 23:59   ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2008-04-08 22:06     ` Tab bar Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  1:07       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-04-09  8:48         ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-09  9:24           ` David Kastrup
2008-04-09 23:28             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-10  6:11               ` Jan Djärv
2008-04-10  7:31                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-10  7:44                   ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-10  8:08                   ` Jan Djärv
2008-04-10 15:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-10 23:11                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-12  0:10                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-09  9:45           ` Paul R
2008-04-09 23:29             ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-10  8:09               ` Paul R

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