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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why	info must die
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:44:09 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35641f86-6cfc-45a5-a63a-06a0663903c9@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

> >> The younger crowd expects interactive web pages (e.g. jumping
> >> to manual nodes with completion), because they are used to
> >> interactive features on other pages (Gmail, facebook, etc.)
> >
> > Fine.  And it is not only "the younger crowd" that is used to
> > using interactive web pages.
> 
> Frankly, that's not really useful since
> a) every "interactive web page" is different
> b) they work badly with automated fetchers, so you cannot usefully
>    aggregate them
> c) they tend to require enabling known security problems like Flash

Yes, I agree.

> > That's OK if it's a habit or they somehow find it easier,
> > but they should at least be made aware that they *can* access
> > the same information from within Emacs, and that they will
> > get more help and learn more that way than via the manuals
> > on line.
> 
> Well, one problem is that the manuals are really effective for
> learning a lot in one learning session.  And that's a good deal
> for getting better with using Emacs.  But it doesn't match
> modern attention spans.

I wouldn't use the word "modern" in that context. ;-)
But OK, let's take as given, for the sake of discussion at least,
that attention spans of people are in fact shorter nowadays.

I don't see the problem you are getting at.  Why does it follow
that because the manuals are "really effective for learning a
lot" they are not also very effective for learning a little?

IMO, using the manuals within Emacs is effective for learning
a little, as well as a lot.

But perhaps your point here is something like this:

The manuals are essentially reference manuals, with some
guidance thrown in.  They are not user guides or tutorials.
They are not how-to videos.  They are not FAQs.  And so on.

In sum, they are good for looking up reference information,
but they are not so good for teaching/learning.

Is that it?  If so, then I would agree.  For many users,
reading a reference manual is not the best way to *learn*.
(For some of us it is a good way, but for many others it
is not so good.)

But the answer to that problem is to add such learning aids,
to supplement the manuals.  I don't see this as a failing
of the manuals, and certainly not of their form as Info
within Emacs.

> And that's an inherent problem we have with selling Emacs,
> and it will continue to cost us "market percentages".

Assuming I got your point (I'm not sure), I don't agree that
it is an inherent problem.  It might be a problem to some
extent now (and I'm not even sure of that), but it is not
an inherent problem.  There are already lots of Emacs blogs,
tutorials, wiki how-to's, etc. that help users learn Emacs.

I really don't see the lack of such learning aids as "an
inherent problem we have selling Emacs."

> > The best way we can help them in this regard is to let them
> > know that Emacs itself offers great help for learning about
> > Emacs, and one of the best such aids are the Emacs and Elisp
> > manuals - *within Emacs*.
> >
> > Having the information in these manuals at your fingertips
> > while you use Emacs is an giant plus.  Providing better Web
> > use of the manuals is of course a good idea.  But we should
> > not neglect inviting users to consult the manuals from Emacs.
> 
> Certainly.  But I think that would primarily concern the Emacs-
> related manuals, 

That's exactly what I said, at the outset.  This is a separate
concern from the need to provide a better web experience for
GNU manuals in general.  My point was that the Emacs and Elisp
manuals are special, in that using them inside Emacs is
particularly rewarding.

> so we should probably see to it that one can get the Texinfo
> conversion process and/or our personal manual CSS sheets to
> make this a general feature of the Emacs manuals in particular.

I agreed with that already.  In doing that, I would like us to
nevertheless consider the concern I raised, which is Emacs-specific.



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2014-12-17 17:54 Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Sven Axelsson
2014-12-17 18:16 ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-17 18:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-17 21:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-17 21:17     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-17 22:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-17 22:43         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-18  3:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-18  7:40           ` Sven Axelsson
2014-12-19 20:26         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-19 20:52           ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19 21:29             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-19 21:35           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-17 18:29 ` Allen S. Rout
2014-12-19 20:42   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-19 21:15     ` Jay Belanger
2014-12-19 21:32       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-19 21:22     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-20  7:30     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20  8:27       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-20 10:22         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 11:10           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-20 11:45             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-20 11:49               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-21 10:56                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-20 14:26             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 14:35               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-20 16:36                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-20 16:47                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 17:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-20 18:03                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 19:06                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-21 10:56             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-20 11:35           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-20 14:48             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-21 10:56             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-21 11:05               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 16:47                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-21 17:10                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 17:33                   ` Sven Axelsson
2014-12-21 17:50                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-21 18:01                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 23:35                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-21 17:43                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-21 17:57                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22  2:30                       ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-22  8:58                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 17:37                           ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-22 18:23                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23  9:27                             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-23 10:15                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 10:55                                 ` [OT] HTML5 Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-23 12:41                                 ` Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Steinar Bang
2014-12-23 12:50                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 14:35                                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-23 14:52                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-24  9:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 10:37                           ` texi2html output validity Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-23 10:44                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 16:55                               ` Patrice Dumas
2014-12-23 21:57                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 14:29                             ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-23 14:59                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 15:37                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-23 16:08                                 ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-23 16:49                               ` Patrice Dumas
2014-12-23 17:21                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-23 18:38                                   ` Gavin Smith
2014-12-23 17:23                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-23 17:59                                 ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-24  3:27                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-25 14:05                                     ` Ineiev
2014-12-25 15:58                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-25 16:58                                         ` Ineiev
2014-12-25 17:09                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-25 17:30                                             ` Ineiev
2014-12-25 17:45                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-25 13:58                                   ` Ineiev
2014-12-23 18:14                                 ` Gavin Smith
2014-12-22  8:12                 ` Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Richard Stallman
2014-12-22  8:12                 ` HTML-Info design Richard Stallman
2014-12-22  8:31                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-22  9:23                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-22  9:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22  9:56                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 10:36                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-22 11:56                       ` Jan Djärv
2014-12-22 12:49                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 13:14                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 13:21                           ` Jan Djärv
2014-12-22 13:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 13:35                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 14:27                                 ` David Engster
2014-12-22 14:33                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 14:39                                     ` David Engster
2014-12-22 14:44                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 14:54                                         ` David Engster
2014-12-22 15:00                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 22:18                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-22 18:33                               ` Jan Djärv
2014-12-22 13:57                         ` Tom
2014-12-22 14:17                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 14:41                             ` Tom
2014-12-22 14:46                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 18:36                           ` Jan Djärv
2014-12-22 22:22                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23  7:34                           ` Jan D.
2014-12-23 15:34                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 15:49                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-24  9:55                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-22 15:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22 22:06                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23  3:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  7:58                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23 18:26                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23 15:32                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 16:00                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-23 16:39                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-24  9:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 18:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24  9:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24 16:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24 16:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 19:26                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23 17:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-23 17:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-23 19:32                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23 21:20                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-23 22:16                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-24  0:23                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-24  9:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24 11:36                                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-24 18:00                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-26 11:07                                             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-26 16:48                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-26 19:20                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-26 21:52                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-27 11:04                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-27 13:40                                                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-28 12:53                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-26 21:56                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24  9:56                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24  2:37                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-23 18:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23 19:40                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-23 20:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23 21:09                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-24 16:12                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-25 15:39                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-25 15:49                                           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-26 11:11                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-26 22:07                                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-27 22:54                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-27 23:00                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-28 23:57                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-27 23:31                                                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28  7:13                                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-28  9:59                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 12:49                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-28 23:58                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29  0:15                                                           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-29 22:34                                                         ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-12-30  8:59                                                           ` soap-client (Was: HTML-Info design) Michael Albinus
2014-12-28 10:06                                                       ` HTML-Info design David Kastrup
2014-12-28 12:34                                                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 13:06                                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-28 14:08                                                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 23:57                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29  0:08                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28  1:10                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-28 10:04                                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 13:36                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 14:13                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 14:20                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-28 15:00                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 16:44                                                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 17:31                                                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-28 18:00                                                                 ` Search engines (was: HTML-Info design) Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 18:47                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-29 16:28                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 16:37                                                                     ` Search engines Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 17:52                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-28 14:57                                                         ` HTML-Info design Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 16:54                                                           ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-28 17:24                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 19:43                                                               ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-28 20:00                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 21:25                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-28 21:45                                                                     ` [OT] HTML5 Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29  3:31                                                                   ` HTML-Info design Yuri Khan
2014-12-29 11:40                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 12:12                                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-29 12:18                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-29 14:40                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-29 12:31                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 14:24                                                                           ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 14:35                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-29 14:36                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-29 10:59                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2015-02-26 23:43                                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2015-03-02 17:20                                                                     ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-02 17:45                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2015-03-02 17:58                                                                         ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-02 18:12                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2015-03-04 12:19                                                                             ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-04 12:51                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-29  0:14                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29  9:18                                                               ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-29 13:49                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 13:50                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 14:06                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 23:24                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-28 19:45                                                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-28 20:51                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-28 21:08                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-28 21:32                                                           ` Saving default font? (was: HTML-Info design) David Kastrup
2014-12-28 21:39                                                             ` Saving default font? Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 23:04                                                         ` HTML-Info design Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 23:08                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-28 23:45                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-29  0:01                                                               ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-29 11:35                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29  3:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29  7:28                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-29 10:48                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 15:51                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29  7:55                                                             ` bug#19462: shr: use wrap-prefix when possible, instead of filling the text Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29  9:55                                                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 14:17                                                               ` word-wrap and wrapping before window-width (was: bug#19462: shr: use wrap-prefix when possible, instead of filling the text) Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 15:01                                                                 ` word-wrap and wrapping before window-width Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 20:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-30  3:12                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-30 18:50                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-31  2:56                                                                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-30 17:47                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-31  3:17                                                                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-31  3:44                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-31  6:15                                                                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-31 16:20                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-31 16:37                                                                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-31 17:18                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-31 17:55                                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-31 18:38                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-31 18:57                                                                                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-31 19:10                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 19:59                                                                 ` word-wrap and wrapping before window-width (was: bug#19462: shr: use wrap-prefix when possible, instead of filling the text) Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-30  3:04                                                                   ` word-wrap and wrapping before window-width Stefan Monnier
2015-12-25 17:34                                                               ` bug#19462: shr: use wrap-prefix when possible, instead of filling the text Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:43                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-25 18:55                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 22:48                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
     [not found]                                                               ` <87bn9ezb2h.fsf__43673.6617972658$1451064984$gmane$org@gnus.org>
2015-12-26  9:13                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 10:41                                                             ` HTML-Info design Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 11:25                                                               ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 11:33                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 12:20                                                                   ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 12:36                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 13:13                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-29 13:45                                                                       ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 13:56                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 14:02                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-29 16:25                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 14:35                                                                           ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 16:11                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 16:33                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 18:21                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 18:35                                                                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 23:16                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-30  5:47                                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 16:06                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 18:17                                                                       ` shr: tables Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-29 16:49                                                                     ` HTML-Info design Yuri Khan
2014-12-29 16:04                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 16:32                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 17:13                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-29 17:44                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-25  0:01                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-25 16:06                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-26  2:16                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-26  6:20                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-26  6:52                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-27  1:26                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-27 18:15                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28  2:27                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-28 15:26                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28  3:27                                                                                 ` Pixel-based display functions (was: HTML-Info design) Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-28  7:16                                                                                   ` Pixel-based display functions Thien-Thi Nguyen
2015-01-28 15:33                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28  8:04                                                                                   ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-28 10:30                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-28 19:20                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-28 19:29                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-28 21:35                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-29  1:00                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-29  4:08                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-29  6:55                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-29 13:30                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-30  6:37                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-30  6:52                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30  7:27                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-30  9:10                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 10:20                                                                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-30 11:15                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 11:28                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-30 11:56                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 15:28                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30 18:02                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-30 21:36                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31  6:25                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-31  6:59                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-31  7:57                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01  1:26                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-31  7:36                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 20:33                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-31 21:37                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2015-02-01  1:18                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-01  1:40                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-01  8:51                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-02-01 12:31                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-01 12:52                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2015-02-01 15:52                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 16:30                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2015-02-01 17:31                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 18:09                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2015-02-01 18:36                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 18:42                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-05  4:17                                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-05 14:01                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06  1:17                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06  7:28                                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2015-02-06  9:39                                                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06  9:58                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06 10:02                                                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 13:30                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06  7:45                                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06  9:47                                                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 14:12                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06 15:22                                                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 15:42                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06 16:03                                                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07  4:07                                                                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07  5:22                                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07  8:09                                                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07  9:10                                                                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07  9:42                                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07  9:57                                                                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 10:18                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 10:27                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 15:16                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 10:25                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Display of images in eww (was: Pixel-based display functions) Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 10:33                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Display of images in eww Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07  9:50                                                                                                                                                                             ` Pixel-based display functions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 11:45                                                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2015-02-07 12:01                                                                                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 12:11                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 12:27                                                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-02-07 12:02                                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 12:28                                                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-02-07 12:52                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 13:51                                                                                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2015-02-07 14:03                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 19:26                                                                                                                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2015-02-07 11:37                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 11:59                                                                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 12:20                                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 12:10                                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 12:16                                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 12:42                                                                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-07 13:08                                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-07 13:21                                                                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-08 18:37                                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-09  4:12                                                                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-09 16:36                                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10  4:48                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-10  6:07                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-10  6:11                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-10  7:59                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-10 15:53                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  5:32                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-10 15:48                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  5:31                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-11 15:49                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-18  1:17                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-18  3:45                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-18  5:53                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-18 15:29                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-19  5:51                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 15:18                                                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06 15:37                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 16:00                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2015-02-02  9:47                                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-05  4:37                                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-05  9:38                                                                                                                                             ` martin rudalics
2015-02-05 16:09                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06  7:28                                                                                                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2015-02-06  9:58                                                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 13:02                                                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 13:28                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-06 15:13                                                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 15:29                                                                                                                                                         ` Matthew Carter
2015-02-12 12:32                                                                                                                                                           ` Rebinding local keys Alan Schmitt
2015-02-13  6:15                                                                                                                                                           ` Pixel-based display functions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-01  3:36                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01  6:28                                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-01 15:37                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-02  9:46                                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-02 15:58                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-02 16:43                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-02 17:21                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-02 23:16                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-31  0:42                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-31  7:24                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31  9:04                                                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-31 10:01                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 10:15                                                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-31 11:08                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 12:04                                                                                                                         ` Alexis
2015-01-31 12:41                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 13:25                                                                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-31 14:26                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 13:37                                                                                                                             ` Alexis
2015-01-31 14:30                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 14:23                                                                                                                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-31 15:35                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-31 14:55                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-31 15:39                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-01 17:21                                                                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-28 15:27                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-29  0:37                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 23:23                                                           ` HTML-Info design Richard Stallman
2014-12-29 23:02                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2014-12-28 23:57                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29  0:13                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-29  3:39                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-29 13:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 23:24                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29  0:59                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2014-12-29 14:12                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 14:26                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-29 14:43                                                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-29 18:24                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 23:24                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-30  0:09                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-30 19:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-30 20:06                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 22:42                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-24  0:16                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-24  9:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24 12:33                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-24 18:00                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24 18:38                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-25 15:39                                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-24  2:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-24  3:36                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23  4:33                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23  7:57                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-20 18:05           ` Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Tom
2014-12-20 18:47             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 18:58               ` Tom
2014-12-20 19:27                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-20 20:07                   ` Tom
2014-12-20 19:46             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-20 20:11               ` Tom
2014-12-21 19:23             ` Mike Gerwitz
2014-12-21 20:01               ` Tom
2014-12-21 21:05                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-21 21:15                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 21:32                     ` Tom
2014-12-21 22:23                       ` Drew Adams
2014-12-21 22:46                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 23:12                           ` Drew Adams
2014-12-22  1:33                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22  2:44                           ` Drew Adams
2014-12-22  6:25                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22  9:18                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22  9:08                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-21 23:12                       ` Harry Putnam
2014-12-22  3:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22  3:54                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22  5:25                           ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-22 15:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22 18:26                               ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-22 18:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  7:26                                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-23  1:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-23  4:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  5:01                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23 18:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24  2:58                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-24 16:18                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  4:27                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23  6:21                               ` Drew Adams
2014-12-23  7:32                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-23 15:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 17:25                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-24  9:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 18:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24  9:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 18:25                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23 21:08                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-24 10:09                                       ` Andy Moreton
2014-12-24 16:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22  6:41                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22  9:33                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 11:30                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 12:08                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 12:23                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 13:13                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 13:25                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23  3:54                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23  5:24                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-23 15:33                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 16:24                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-24  9:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-25 15:46                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-26 10:59                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-26 13:30                                             ` Tom
2014-12-26 13:57                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-26 15:08                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-26 15:28                                                 ` Tom
2014-12-26 15:48                                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-26 15:39                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-26 21:57                                               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                               ` <<E1Y4ct2-0006JI-UI@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-12-26 23:29                                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-27 22:54                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-27 23:03                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-28  1:07                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-28  1:52                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-28 23:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29  7:14                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-29  7:33                                                           ` rekado
2014-12-29  7:49                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-29 23:23                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-29 23:57                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-30  7:05                                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-30  7:08                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found]                                               ` <<<E1Y4ct2-0006JI-UI@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                 ` <<e89658d6-8630-441e-88c9-42dfa93c49db@default>
     [not found]                                                   ` <<E1Y50Fv-0003Kv-4k@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-12-28  3:04                                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-12-26 11:11                                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-26 14:27                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22 15:44                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  0:29                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23  3:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  4:43                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23 14:52                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-12-23 15:31                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23 17:28                                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-24  2:34                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-24  9:44                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-12-24  9:55                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 15:34                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 18:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23 18:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24  2:45                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-22  9:24                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-22 15:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22 16:03                             ` Tom
2014-12-22 16:11                               ` Lennart Borgman
2014-12-22 16:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-22 16:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  0:35                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23  3:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-23  4:47                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-23 15:33                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-23 18:22                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-24  3:10                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-21 21:44                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-12-24  9:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-20 10:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-21  5:18       ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-21  6:37         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-21 14:40           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-21 18:50           ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-17 19:49 ` Jay Belanger
2014-12-17 22:17   ` Jose E. Marchesi
2014-12-17 21:16 ` Stefan Monnier

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