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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Dumper problems and a possible solutions
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:14:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140626041434.GH179@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53AB8D50.5020005@yandex.ru>

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 07:02:40AM +0400, Dmitry Antipov wrote:
> BTW, if you're doing your own libc, why do not implement Solaris-style dldump()?

Because dumping isn't really possible to do in a correct and
meaningful way without serious restrictions on what the code can do.
See Eli Zaretskii's email (Message-id: <83simspexv.fsf@gnu.org>)
stating that "Emacs cannot use such libraries." For a single
application like Emacs that's a decision that can be made. But to say
"[X feature of] libc can't support such code" when the code is
perfectly valid C is not really appropriate.

There's all sorts of state that cannot be preserved across dumping but
that's completely reasonable to have, such as pid, lock owners (tids
will not be the same after a dump), open files, etc. At one point I
actually tried to do a Solaris-style forkall() -- I mention this
because it has a lot of the same issues -- and partly had it working,
but the lock ownership issue turned out to be impractical to solve and
I abandoned it.


Rich



  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-26  4:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-24 17:19 Dumper problems and a possible solutions Rich Felker
2014-06-24 19:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-24 19:40   ` Rich Felker
2014-06-24 20:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-24 21:15       ` Rich Felker
2014-06-24 21:37         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 18:03 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-25 18:08   ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 18:30     ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-25 18:36       ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 18:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 18:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-26  0:16     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-06-25 18:20   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 18:32     ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 18:49       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 19:03         ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 19:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 19:57             ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 20:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 20:34                 ` Rich Felker
2014-06-26  2:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-26  4:28                     ` Rich Felker
2014-06-26 15:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-25 20:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 20:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 20:24             ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 21:43               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 22:07                 ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 23:04                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-06-25 23:21                     ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 23:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 23:19                     ` Rich Felker
2014-06-26  3:02                   ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-26  4:14                     ` Rich Felker [this message]
2014-06-26  4:32                       ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-06-26 11:49                         ` Rich Felker
2014-06-26 15:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-26 15:10                           ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 22:33               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-06-25 20:53       ` Samuel Bronson
2014-06-25 21:24         ` Rich Felker
2014-06-25 18:38   ` Stefan Monnier

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