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From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default?
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:54:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200504131854.j3DIsWAH021282@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1DLmdp-0003fw-Nl@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:31:09 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

  >     xterm-mouse-mode is missing some very useful functionality (at least
  >     IMO): 
  >      - it is not possible to double-click to select a word/line/etc.
  >      - it is not possible to select text with the mouse in emacs and then
  >      use mouse-2 to paste in another xterm, or emacs. How would you copy
  >      text from an emacs running in an ssh session in an xterm? 
  > 
  >     A lot of users use these features, so IMO it is not a good idea to
  >     turn on xterm-mouse-mode by default at this point. 
  > 
  > I don't follow the logic.  While the failure to implement some mouse
  > features is clearly a drawback, why would it be better to implement
  > none than to implement some?  I don't see it.

The argument is like this: a lot of users ONLY use the mouse in an xterm
to select text and then use mouse-2 to paste it in another
xterm/another application. Not being able to do this makes the mouse
not very useful, and the user would blame emacs for this. 

Yes, it is still possible to use shift-mouse to access the normal
xterm copy/paste functionality, but there are few problems with that:
      - as Miles said, most users would not know about this
      - makes the xterm running emacs behave inconsistently with all
      other xterms one might use at the same time
      - using the mouse and the keyboard at the same time is not very
      convenient 


      --dan

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-13 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-13  1:41 should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default? Dan Nicolaescu
2005-04-13  2:08 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13  4:11 ` Miles Bader
2005-04-13 18:31 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 18:54   ` Dan Nicolaescu [this message]
2005-04-14 19:03     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-14 19:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2005-04-14 23:31         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-15 15:11         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-15 20:38           ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-15 21:26             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2005-04-15 21:38             ` Miles Bader
2005-04-16 17:49             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-17  2:21               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-17 19:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 23:23   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14 19:03     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-14 22:58       ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-15  1:26       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-15  1:42         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14  7:40 ` Kai Großjohann
2005-04-14  9:31   ` Stephan Stahl

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