* Re: slow bibtex menu access [not found] <87br9xkcv0.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> @ 2005-03-08 22:56 ` Tak Ota 2005-03-14 17:15 ` Tak Ota 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Tak Ota @ 2005-03-08 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: monnier [-- Attachment #1: Type: Text/Plain, Size: 2970 bytes --] Stefan kindly informed me that table.el was slowing down menu operation considerably depending on buffer contents. The attached patch corrects this problem. Thanks Stefan. -Tak 2005-03-08 Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> * textmodes/table.el (table--line-column-position): New idiom. (table--row-column-insertion-point-p): New function to test validity of row and column insertion operation at a location. (table-global-menu, table-cell-menu): Use above functions for deterministic test operation. (table--editable-cell-p): Behave in deterministic fashion. Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:27:00 -0800: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > The following message is a courtesy copy of an article > that has been posted to gnu.emacs.help as well. > > > Thank you, I'd forgotten that (haven't done it in a long time). So I > found > > the problem, and it was table.el. I had (require 'table) and (require > > 'emacs-wiki-table) (the latter requires table.el) in a few places. I > have > > no idea where and how table.el is causing the problem, but would it be > > possible to turn it off (I guess a hook might do it) while in bibtex? > > Tables are not needed in bibtex anyway. > > Setting debug-on-quit and hitting C-g while the menu is being built > indicates that the time is actually spent in table--find-row-column. > > Looking some more at the table.el code, it seems there is a minor > logic-thinko bug in it. Can you try the patch below (it's against the > Emacs-CVS version of table.el, so you may have to apply the patch by > hand). > > Tak, is my reasoning correct that `table--probe-cell' should return > non-nil > iff we're inside a table? > > > Stefan > > > --- orig/lisp/textmodes/table.el > +++ mod/lisp/textmodes/table.el > @@ -1025,13 +1025,13 @@ > :help "Insert a text based table at point"] > ["Row" table-insert-row > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > - (or (table--probe-cell) > + (and (table--probe-cell) > (save-excursion > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > ["Column" table-insert-column > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > - (or (table--probe-cell) > + (and (table--probe-cell) > (save-excursion > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) > @@ -1077,13 +1077,13 @@ > ("Insert" > ["Row" table-insert-row > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > - (or (table--probe-cell) > + (and (table--probe-cell) > (save-excursion > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > ["Column" table-insert-column > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > - (or (table--probe-cell) > + (and (table--probe-cell) > (save-excursion > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) [-- Attachment #2: table.el.patch --] [-- Type: Text/Plain, Size: 4477 bytes --] *** ../../../../d/pub/emacs/pure/emacs-21.3.50/lisp/textmodes/table.el Wed Feb 9 07:50:36 2005 --- table.el Tue Mar 8 11:15:27 2005 *************** *** 5,11 **** ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Tue Jun 01 2004 11:36:39 (PDT) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. --- 5,11 ---- ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Tue Mar 08 2005 11:15:27 (PST) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. *************** *** 1024,1039 **** :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" --- 1024,1033 ---- :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" *************** *** 1076,1091 **** '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row --- 1070,1079 ---- '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row *************** *** 4698,4703 **** --- 4686,4715 ---- (setq multiplier (1- multiplier))) ret-str)) + (defun table--line-column-position (line column) + "Return the location of LINE forward at COLUMN." + (save-excursion + (forward-line line) + (move-to-column column) + (point))) + + (defun table--row-column-insertion-point-p (&optional columnp) + "Return non nil if it makes sense to insert a row or a column at point." + (and (not buffer-read-only) + (or (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell) + (let ((column (current-column))) + (if columnp + (or (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 0) + (table--line-column-position -1 column) + 'table-cell t) + (text-property-any (line-beginning-position) (point) 'table-cell t) + (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 2) + (table--line-column-position 1 column) + 'table-cell t)) + (text-property-any (table--line-column-position -2 column) + (table--line-column-position -2 (+ 2 column)) + 'table-cell t)))))) + (defun table--find-row-column (&optional columnp no-error) "Search table and return a cell coordinate list of row or column." (let ((current-coordinate (table--get-coordinate))) *************** *** 5136,5142 **** (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (table--probe-cell abort-on-error))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. --- 5148,5154 ---- (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 142 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: slow bibtex menu access 2005-03-08 22:56 ` slow bibtex menu access Tak Ota @ 2005-03-14 17:15 ` Tak Ota 2005-03-18 22:07 ` Tak Ota 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Tak Ota @ 2005-03-14 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: Text/Plain, Size: 3324 bytes --] If there is no objection to this patch could someone check it in please. Thank you. -Tak Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:56:51 -0800: "Ota, Takaaki" <Takaaki.Ota@us-ti-xims-1.am.sony.com> wrote: > Stefan kindly informed me that table.el was slowing down menu > operation considerably depending on buffer contents. The attached > patch corrects this problem. Thanks Stefan. > > -Tak > > 2005-03-08 Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> > > * textmodes/table.el (table--line-column-position): New idiom. > (table--row-column-insertion-point-p): New function to test > validity of row and column insertion operation at a location. > (table-global-menu, table-cell-menu): Use above functions for > deterministic test operation. > (table--editable-cell-p): Behave in deterministic fashion. > > > Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:27:00 -0800: "Stefan Monnier" > <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > > > The following message is a courtesy copy of an article > > that has been posted to gnu.emacs.help as well. > > > > > Thank you, I'd forgotten that (haven't done it in a long time). So I > > found > > > the problem, and it was table.el. I had (require 'table) and > (require > > > 'emacs-wiki-table) (the latter requires table.el) in a few places. I > > have > > > no idea where and how table.el is causing the problem, but would it > be > > > possible to turn it off (I guess a hook might do it) while in > bibtex? > > > Tables are not needed in bibtex anyway. > > > > Setting debug-on-quit and hitting C-g while the menu is being built > > indicates that the time is actually spent in table--find-row-column. > > > > Looking some more at the table.el code, it seems there is a minor > > logic-thinko bug in it. Can you try the patch below (it's against the > > Emacs-CVS version of table.el, so you may have to apply the patch by > > hand). > > > > Tak, is my reasoning correct that `table--probe-cell' should return > > non-nil > > iff we're inside a table? > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- orig/lisp/textmodes/table.el > > +++ mod/lisp/textmodes/table.el > > @@ -1025,13 +1025,13 @@ > > :help "Insert a text based table at point"] > > ["Row" table-insert-row > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > (save-excursion > > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > > ["Column" table-insert-column > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > (save-excursion > > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) > > @@ -1077,13 +1077,13 @@ > > ("Insert" > > ["Row" table-insert-row > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > (save-excursion > > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > > ["Column" table-insert-column > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > (save-excursion > > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) [-- Attachment #2: table.el.patch --] [-- Type: Text/Plain, Size: 4477 bytes --] *** ../../../../d/pub/emacs/pure/emacs-21.3.50/lisp/textmodes/table.el Wed Feb 9 07:50:36 2005 --- table.el Tue Mar 8 11:15:27 2005 *************** *** 5,11 **** ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Tue Jun 01 2004 11:36:39 (PDT) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. --- 5,11 ---- ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Tue Mar 08 2005 11:15:27 (PST) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. *************** *** 1024,1039 **** :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" --- 1024,1033 ---- :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" *************** *** 1076,1091 **** '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row --- 1070,1079 ---- '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row *************** *** 4698,4703 **** --- 4686,4715 ---- (setq multiplier (1- multiplier))) ret-str)) + (defun table--line-column-position (line column) + "Return the location of LINE forward at COLUMN." + (save-excursion + (forward-line line) + (move-to-column column) + (point))) + + (defun table--row-column-insertion-point-p (&optional columnp) + "Return non nil if it makes sense to insert a row or a column at point." + (and (not buffer-read-only) + (or (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell) + (let ((column (current-column))) + (if columnp + (or (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 0) + (table--line-column-position -1 column) + 'table-cell t) + (text-property-any (line-beginning-position) (point) 'table-cell t) + (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 2) + (table--line-column-position 1 column) + 'table-cell t)) + (text-property-any (table--line-column-position -2 column) + (table--line-column-position -2 (+ 2 column)) + 'table-cell t)))))) + (defun table--find-row-column (&optional columnp no-error) "Search table and return a cell coordinate list of row or column." (let ((current-coordinate (table--get-coordinate))) *************** *** 5136,5142 **** (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (table--probe-cell abort-on-error))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. --- 5148,5154 ---- (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 142 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: slow bibtex menu access 2005-03-14 17:15 ` Tak Ota @ 2005-03-18 22:07 ` Tak Ota 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Tak Ota @ 2005-03-18 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: Text/Plain, Size: 3718 bytes --] Attached is a bug fix. Could someone please check it in? Thank you. This is the third time I ask. -Tak Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:15:05 -0800: "Ota, Takaaki" <Takaaki.Ota@us-ti-xims-1.am.sony.com> wrote: > If there is no objection to this patch could someone check it in > please. Thank you. > > -Tak > > Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:56:51 -0800: "Ota, Takaaki" > <Takaaki.Ota@us-ti-xims-1.am.sony.com> wrote: > > > Stefan kindly informed me that table.el was slowing down menu > > operation considerably depending on buffer contents. The attached > > patch corrects this problem. Thanks Stefan. > > > > -Tak > > > > 2005-03-08 Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> > > > > * textmodes/table.el (table--line-column-position): New idiom. > > (table--row-column-insertion-point-p): New function to test > > validity of row and column insertion operation at a location. > > (table-global-menu, table-cell-menu): Use above functions for > > deterministic test operation. > > (table--editable-cell-p): Behave in deterministic fashion. > > > > > > Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:27:00 -0800: "Stefan Monnier" > > <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > > > > > The following message is a courtesy copy of an article > > > that has been posted to gnu.emacs.help as well. > > > > > > > Thank you, I'd forgotten that (haven't done it in a long time). So > I > > > found > > > > the problem, and it was table.el. I had (require 'table) and > > (require > > > > 'emacs-wiki-table) (the latter requires table.el) in a few places. > I > > > have > > > > no idea where and how table.el is causing the problem, but would > it > > be > > > > possible to turn it off (I guess a hook might do it) while in > > bibtex? > > > > Tables are not needed in bibtex anyway. > > > > > > Setting debug-on-quit and hitting C-g while the menu is being built > > > indicates that the time is actually spent in table--find-row-column. > > > > > > Looking some more at the table.el code, it seems there is a minor > > > logic-thinko bug in it. Can you try the patch below (it's against > the > > > Emacs-CVS version of table.el, so you may have to apply the patch by > > > hand). > > > > > > Tak, is my reasoning correct that `table--probe-cell' should return > > > non-nil > > > iff we're inside a table? > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- orig/lisp/textmodes/table.el > > > +++ mod/lisp/textmodes/table.el > > > @@ -1025,13 +1025,13 @@ > > > :help "Insert a text based table at point"] > > > ["Row" table-insert-row > > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > > (save-excursion > > > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > > > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > > > ["Column" table-insert-column > > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > > (save-excursion > > > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > > > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) > > > @@ -1077,13 +1077,13 @@ > > > ("Insert" > > > ["Row" table-insert-row > > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > > (save-excursion > > > (table--find-row-column nil t)))) > > > :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] > > > ["Column" table-insert-column > > > :active (and (not buffer-read-only) > > > - (or (table--probe-cell) > > > + (and (table--probe-cell) > > > (save-excursion > > > (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) > > > :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) [-- Attachment #2: table.el.patch --] [-- Type: Text/Plain, Size: 4777 bytes --] *** table.el Fri Mar 18 13:50:13 2005 --- ../../../../d/pub/emacs/pure/emacs/lisp/textmodes/table.el Wed Feb 9 07:50:36 2005 *************** *** 1,11 **** ;;; table.el --- create and edit WYSIWYG text based embedded tables ! ;; Copyright (C) 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Fri Mar 18 2005 13:50:13 (PST) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. --- 1,11 ---- ;;; table.el --- create and edit WYSIWYG text based embedded tables ! ;; Copyright (C) 2000, 01, 02, 03, 04 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Keywords: wp, convenience ;; Author: Takaaki Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> ;; Created: Sat Jul 08 2000 13:28:45 (PST) ! ;; Revised: Tue Jun 01 2004 11:36:39 (PDT) ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. *************** *** 1024,1033 **** :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" --- 1024,1039 ---- :active (and (not buffer-read-only) (not (table--probe-cell))) :help "Insert a text based table at point"] ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) "----" ("Recognize" *************** *** 1070,1079 **** '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (table--row-column-insertion-point-p 'column) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row --- 1076,1091 ---- '("Table" ("Insert" ["Row" table-insert-row ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column nil t)))) :help "Insert row(s) of cells in table"] ["Column" table-insert-column ! :active (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (or (table--probe-cell) ! (save-excursion ! (table--find-row-column 'column t)))) :help "Insert column(s) of cells in table"]) ("Delete" ["Row" table-delete-row *************** *** 4686,4715 **** (setq multiplier (1- multiplier))) ret-str)) - (defun table--line-column-position (line column) - "Return the location of LINE forward at COLUMN." - (save-excursion - (forward-line line) - (move-to-column column) - (point))) - - (defun table--row-column-insertion-point-p (&optional columnp) - "Return non nil if it makes sense to insert a row or a column at point." - (and (not buffer-read-only) - (or (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell) - (let ((column (current-column))) - (if columnp - (or (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 0) - (table--line-column-position -1 column) - 'table-cell t) - (text-property-any (line-beginning-position) (point) 'table-cell t) - (text-property-any (line-beginning-position 2) - (table--line-column-position 1 column) - 'table-cell t)) - (text-property-any (table--line-column-position -2 column) - (table--line-column-position -2 (+ 2 column)) - 'table-cell t)))))) - (defun table--find-row-column (&optional columnp no-error) "Search table and return a cell coordinate list of row or column." (let ((current-coordinate (table--get-coordinate))) --- 4698,4703 ---- *************** *** 5148,5154 **** (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (get-text-property (point) 'table-cell))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. --- 5136,5142 ---- (defun table--editable-cell-p (&optional abort-on-error) (and (not buffer-read-only) ! (table--probe-cell abort-on-error))) (defun table--probe-cell (&optional abort-on-error) "Probes a table cell around the point. [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 142 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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