About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

After the last build from master I found this `org-persist` in `.emacs.d`..

Really we need that directory? Which is its usefulness?

So far editing `ORG` docs worked fine also without that folder, I don't notice any difference since it showed up in my `.emacs.d` folder, and I would be grateful if I can avoid its creation.. How?

TIA,
  Angelo.

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Juanma Barranquero]

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Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:

*** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions

The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions.  Enabled by default.

The cache persistence can be controlled via
~org-element-cache-persistent~.

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Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 02/12/2022 22:48 Juanma Barranquero ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
> 
> *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
> 
> The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions. Enabled by default.
> 
> The cache persistence can be controlled via
> ~org-element-cache-persistent~.

Ok. I removed that folder (`rm`) then added 

(setq org-element-cache-persistent nil)

to my init.el file.. and it is recreated!

So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d directory?

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Juanma Barranquero]

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I don't really know, but I'd suggest looking at the documentation and the
code.

Customizable variables that could be related: `org-persist-directory',
`org-persist-remote-files', `org-persist-default-expiry'.

If that doesn't help, I'd recommend asking in Org-specific forums.

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Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 03/12/2022 00:26 Angelo Graziosi  ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > Il 02/12/2022 22:48 Juanma Barranquero ha scritto:
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
> > 
> > *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
> > 
> > The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions. Enabled by default.
> > 
> > The cache persistence can be controlled via
> > ~org-element-cache-persistent~.
> 
> Ok. I removed that folder (`rm`) then added 
> 
> (setq org-element-cache-persistent nil)
> 
> to my init.el file.. and it is recreated!
> 
> So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d directory?

BTW, I discovered this thread: https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-orgmode/2021-10/msg00644.html which confirms this feature does not introduce any benefit but only garbage that I have not yet been able to remove with init.el setting...

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Stefan Monnier]

> Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
>
> *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
>
> The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions.  Enabled by default.
>
> The cache persistence can be controlled via
> ~org-element-cache-persistent~.

I'd `M-x report-emacs-bug`.


        Stefan

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Stefan Monnier]

> BTW, I discovered this thread:
> https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-orgmode/2021-10/msg00644.html which confirms
> this feature does not introduce any benefit but only garbage that I have not
> yet been able to remove with init.el setting...

That's not the conclusion I reach after reading that thread.


        Stefan

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Max Nikulin]

On 03/12/2022 07:06, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
>>
>> *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
>>
>> The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions.  Enabled by default.
>>
>> The cache persistence can be controlled via
>> ~org-element-cache-persistent~.
> 
> I'd `M-x report-emacs-bug`.

     M-x org-submit-bug-report

See https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html

org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
large Org files.

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 00:52:49 +0100
> Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> If that doesn't help, I'd recommend asking in Org-specific forums.

Yes, please ask Org-specific questions on the Org list first.

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it>,  "emacs-devel@gnu.org"
>  <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2022 19:06:38 -0500
> 
> > Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
> >
> > *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
> >
> > The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions.  Enabled by default.
> >
> > The cache persistence can be controlled via
> > ~org-element-cache-persistent~.
> 
> I'd `M-x report-emacs-bug`.

No, please report an Org bug first.

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Björn Bidar]

Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> writes:

> So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d directory?

That doesn't really disable it but try no-littering to keep your
.emacs.d clean.

You can get an extra point in keeping  you $HOME clean by using
$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/emacs to store your init.el.

Br,

Björn

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 03/12/2022 08:10 Eli Zaretskii ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 00:52:49 +0100
> > Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> > 
> > If that doesn't help, I'd recommend asking in Org-specific forums.
> 
> Yes, please ask Org-specific questions on the Org list first.

I already wrote them: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2022-12/msg00038.html

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 03/12/2022 09:01 Björn Bidar ha scritto:
> 
>  
> Angelo Graziosi writes:
> 
> > So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d directory?
> 
> That doesn't really disable it but try no-littering to keep your
> .emacs.d clean.

I doubt there is a clean way to disable that.. BTW on GNU/Linux that folder is created under `.cache`...

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 03/12/2022 03:10 Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> On 03/12/2022 07:06, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> Perhaps etc/ORG-NEWS would help:
> >>
> >> *** Element cache persists across Emacs sessions
> >>
> >> The cache state is saved between Emacs sessions.  Enabled by default.
> >>
> >> The cache persistence can be controlled via
> >> ~org-element-cache-persistent~.
> > 
> > I'd `M-x report-emacs-bug`.
> 
>      M-x org-submit-bug-report
> 
> See https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html
> 
> org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
> large Org files.

No performance improvement is visible here...

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Ihor Radchenko]

Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> writes:

>> org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
>> large Org files.
>
> No performance improvement is visible here...

Do you mean that things are slow for you? If yes, it would help if you
report what is slow. We can improve things.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Ihor Radchenko]

Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> writes:

> ... In my case things work just fine and your changes brings only garbage in .emacs.d (on Windows) and in .cache (on GNU/Linux), so I asked I to revert/disable the creation of this `org-persist` folder, and YOU didn't answer...

Please check out the Org mailing list thread.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 04/12/2022 04:58 Ihor Radchenko  ha scritto:
> 
>  
> Angelo Graziosi  writes:
> 
> >> org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
> >> large Org files.
> >
> > No performance improvement is visible here...
> 
> Do you mean that things are slow for you? If yes, it would help if you
> report what is slow. We can improve things.
> 

No, I did not mean that. In my case things work just fine and your changes brings only garbage in .emacs.d (on Windows) and in .cache (on GNU/Linux), so I asked I to revert/disable the creation of this `org-persist` folder, and YOU didn't answer...

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 04/12/2022 10:13 Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > Il 04/12/2022 04:58 Ihor Radchenko  ha scritto:
> > 
> >  
> > Angelo Graziosi  writes:
> > 
> > >> org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
> > >> large Org files.
> > >
> > > No performance improvement is visible here...
> > 
> > Do you mean that things are slow for you? If yes, it would help if you
> > report what is slow. We can improve things.
> > 
> 
> No, I did not mean that. In my case things work just fine and your changes brings only garbage in .emacs.d (on Windows) and in .cache (on GNU/Linux), so I asked I to revert/disable the creation of this `org-persist` folder, and YOU didn't answer...

This is a `sine qua non` to continue using ORG. Maybe I revert Emacs itself to my previous build..

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 04/12/2022 10:13 Angelo Graziosi <angelo.g0@libero.it> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > Il 04/12/2022 04:58 Ihor Radchenko  ha scritto:
> > 
> >  
> > Angelo Graziosi  writes:
> > 
> > >> org-element cache is intended to improve performance in the case of 
> > >> large Org files.
> > >
> > > No performance improvement is visible here...
> > 
> > Do you mean that things are slow for you? If yes, it would help if you
> > report what is slow. We can improve things.
> > 
> 
> No, I did not mean that. In my case things work just fine and your changes brings only garbage in .emacs.d (on Windows) and in .cache (on GNU/Linux), so I asked I to revert/disable the creation of this `org-persist` folder, and YOU didn't answer...

I just read (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2022-12/msg00052.html) there is someone else with the same opinions/requests as me...

Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Thierry Volpiatto]

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> So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d
> directory?

    (setq org-persist-disable-when-emacs-Q t)
    (defun tv/advice--org-persist (old-fn &rest args)
      (let (user-init-file)
        (apply old-fn args)))
    (advice-add 'org-persist-write :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)
    (advice-add 'org-persist-read :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)
    (advice-add 'org-persist-gc :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)))

-- 
Thierry

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Re: About the new directory org-persist in .emacs.d

[Angelo Graziosi]

> Il 05/12/2022 06:59 Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@posteo.net> ha scritto:
> 
>  
> > So, How I can disable the creation of that garbage from my .emacs.d
> > directory?
> 
>     (setq org-persist-disable-when-emacs-Q t)
>     (defun tv/advice--org-persist (old-fn &rest args)
>       (let (user-init-file)
>         (apply old-fn args)))
>     (advice-add 'org-persist-write :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)
>     (advice-add 'org-persist-read :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)
>     (advice-add 'org-persist-gc :around #'tv/advice--org-persist)))
> 

Thanks! it seems to work.. I had to remove two extra `))` at the end of the last row..