* bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font [not found] <2043147550.521091253786215111.JavaMail.root@zmail04.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> @ 2009-09-24 9:58 ` Daniel Novotny 2009-10-01 1:26 ` Kenichi Handa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Daniel Novotny @ 2009-09-24 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bug-gnu-emacs Hello, we upgraded Emacs in Fedora 11 and 12 to 23.1, but users start complaining, that the font is too large. this is a screenshot from cleanly installed Fedora 12 Alpha, showing the default font: http://people.fedoraproject.org/~dnovotny/emacs-fonts-large.jpg do you know, what can be done to obtain the same font size as before? This is a screenshot from Fedora 10: http://people.fedoraproject.org/~dnovotny/emacs-fonts-normal.jpg the bug report implies that the problem here is that emacs is scaling the requested font size according to the display resolution reported by Xorg. These are accurate for the dimensions of the screen, but that doesn't mean emacs should use them to change the font sizes the user requested: see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517272#c3 thank you for your ideas, Daniel Novotny, Red Hat inc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font 2009-09-24 9:58 ` bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font Daniel Novotny @ 2009-10-01 1:26 ` Kenichi Handa 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Kenichi Handa @ 2009-10-01 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Novotny, 4547; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs In article <487180556.521141253786336982.JavaMail.root@zmail04.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>, Daniel Novotny <dnovotny@redhat.com> writes: > the bug report implies that the problem here is that emacs is scaling the requested font size according to > the display resolution reported by Xorg. These are accurate for the dimensions of the screen, but that > doesn't mean emacs should use them to change the font sizes the user requested: > see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517272#c3 That bug report says: > eg, my laptop display reports xdpyinfo > > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (304x228 millimeters) > resolution: 134x134 dots per inch > > while my external monitor report > > dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (514x321 millimeters) > resolution: 83x83 dots per inch > > Now both of these are accurate for the dimensions of the screen, but that > doesn't mean emacs should use them to change the font sizes the user requested > > > For example, using my laptop display > > > > - Go to the menu 'Options -> Set Default Font'. > > - Select 'DejaVu Sans Mono, Book, 12pt' > > - In a buffer, move cursor over a letter, and type 'c-u c-x =', and it > > displays > > > > xft:-unknown-DejaVu Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-22-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 > > (#x50) > > ie, so when user requested requested 12pt, and emacs instead gave them 22pt At least, this bug report confuses point and pixelsize. In the above case, Emacs selected "22-pixelsize" font, not "22-point" font. And, on 134 DPI screen, 22-pixel is 12-point (3.4mm). So, it should be the correct size the user requested by saying "12pt". If one wants a font of 12-pixelsize, do something like: ESC : (set-default-font "dejavu sans mono:pixelsize=12") RET --- Kenichi Handa handa@m17n.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font @ 2009-11-17 9:31 Jan Djärv 2009-11-17 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2009-11-17 9:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 4547 While not technically a bug, it is unfortunate that Emacs uses a DPI value other than the rest of the applications. In Emacs CVS (i.e. the upcoming Emacs 23.2 release), Emacs looks at the DPI setting from XSETTINGS and uses that. That should make Emacs looks the same as other applications. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font 2009-11-17 9:31 Jan Djärv @ 2009-11-17 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2009-11-17 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: 4547 > While not technically a bug, it is unfortunate that Emacs uses a DPI value > other than the rest of the applications. The main problem I see is that Emacs tries to choose a default font such that it will always have the same physical screen size. This seemed like a good idea at some point in time, but experience shows that with higher DPIs, the smoother curves of letters makes the text more legible at the same physical display size, so people are happy to use slightly smaller fonts (in other words, small fonts used to be illegible not just because they were physically small but also because there weren't enough pixels to make them legible). So choosing a fixed physical size is not really a good idea. Another reason why this is, is that what "really" matters is not the dimension of text on the physical screen, but the "apparent size" seen from the user, which is approximately "screen-size / distance-from-the-eye". And it turns out that the distance between the eye and the screen depends on the device being used. For all these reasons, the real physical DPI is not an ideal basis to choose the default font size. So using some kind of user-controlled "perceived DPI" would be a much better choice. IIUC the DPI provided by Xsettings is a good choice for that. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2009-11-17 13:45 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 4+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <2043147550.521091253786215111.JavaMail.root@zmail04.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> 2009-09-24 9:58 ` bug#4547: a bug: emacs 23.1: very large font Daniel Novotny 2009-10-01 1:26 ` Kenichi Handa 2009-11-17 9:31 Jan Djärv 2009-11-17 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier
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