* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
@ 2017-12-30 2:11 N. Jackson
2017-12-30 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-28 23:18 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: N. Jackson @ 2017-12-30 2:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 29906
When I start Gnus with `M-x gnus' I get prompted for my password
(for my authinfo.gpg file) in a GUI dialog box. Expected
behaviour: The prompt is in the minibuffer.
Similarly, when I open a .gpg file with `C-x C-f' I am being
presented with a GUI dialog instead of a prompt in the minibuffer.
In general I expect to see prompts in the minibuffer unless I
interact with Emacs with the mouse, through the menus or toolbar.
This behaviour is new since I last used master a few months ago.
In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.21)
of 2017-12-29 built on moondust.localdomain
Repository revision: ace8f2ed4d6ea49d179333f8e7455e5208417da7
Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11903000
System Description: Fedora release 26 (Twenty Six)
Recent messages:
20171229T205917.388> Opening nnfolder server...
20171229T205917.389> Opening nnfolder server...done
20171229T205917.390> Reading incoming mail from file...
20171229T205917.391> nnfolder: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
20171229T205917.391> Reading active file via nnfolder...
20171229T205917.391> Reading active file via nnfolder...done
20171229T205917.391> Reading active file via nndraft...
20171229T205917.392> Reading active file via nndraft...
20171229T205917.393> Reading active file via nndraft...done
20171229T205917.393> Checking new news...done
Configured using:
'configure --without-pop 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g3 -gdwarf-4''
Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL
LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS
GTK3 X11 LCMS2
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 2:11 bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer N. Jackson
@ 2017-12-30 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 15:54 ` N. Jackson
2019-09-28 23:18 ` Stefan Kangas
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-12-30 8:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: N. Jackson; +Cc: 29906
> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson)
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:11:44 -0500
>
> When I start Gnus with `M-x gnus' I get prompted for my password
> (for my authinfo.gpg file) in a GUI dialog box. Expected
> behaviour: The prompt is in the minibuffer.
>
> Similarly, when I open a .gpg file with `C-x C-f' I am being
> presented with a GUI dialog instead of a prompt in the minibuffer.
>
> In general I expect to see prompts in the minibuffer unless I
> interact with Emacs with the mouse, through the menus or toolbar.
>
> This behaviour is new since I last used master a few months ago.
Does this NEWS.26 entry help?
** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
supported by the upstream project.
To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
symbol 'loopback'.
What version of GnuPG do you have on that system?
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-12-30 15:54 ` N. Jackson
2017-12-30 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: N. Jackson @ 2017-12-30 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 29906
At 10:19 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> Does this NEWS.26 entry help?
>
> ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
> That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
> was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
> GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
> in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
> GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
> library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
> supported by the upstream project.
>
> To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
> symbol 'loopback'.
Yes, that does help, thank you. I should have checked the news.
It doesn't help me decide what to do though. Do you know if using
the prompt in the minibuffer (using `loopback') is thought to be
less secure than using the external pinentry program?
> What version of GnuPG do you have on that system?
Here `gpg' is GnuPG 1.4.22 and `gpg2' is GnuPG 2.2.3.
N.
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 15:54 ` N. Jackson
@ 2017-12-30 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 20:13 ` Daiki Ueno
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-12-30 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: N. Jackson, Daiki Ueno; +Cc: 29906
> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson)
> Cc: 29906@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:54:31 -0500
>
> At 10:19 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >
> > Does this NEWS.26 entry help?
> >
> > ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
> > That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
> > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
> > GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
> > in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
> > GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
> > library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
> > supported by the upstream project.
> >
> > To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
> > symbol 'loopback'.
>
> Yes, that does help, thank you. I should have checked the news.
>
> It doesn't help me decide what to do though. Do you know if using
> the prompt in the minibuffer (using `loopback') is thought to be
> less secure than using the external pinentry program?
I don't know enough about this to tell. Daiki, any inputs?
> > What version of GnuPG do you have on that system?
>
> Here `gpg' is GnuPG 1.4.22 and `gpg2' is GnuPG 2.2.3.
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-12-30 20:13 ` Daiki Ueno
2017-12-30 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Daiki Ueno @ 2017-12-30 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: N. Jackson, 29906
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson)
>> Cc: 29906@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:54:31 -0500
>>
>> At 10:19 +0200 on Saturday 2017-12-30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> >
>> > Does this NEWS.26 entry help?
>> >
>> > ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
>> > That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
>> > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
>> > GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
>> > in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
>> > GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
>> > library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
>> > supported by the upstream project.
>> >
>> > To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
>> > symbol 'loopback'.
I wasn't aware of this entry. Would it really make sense, given that
pinentry.el was a new library introduced in Emacs 26?
>> Yes, that does help, thank you. I should have checked the news.
>>
>> It doesn't help me decide what to do though. Do you know if using
>> the prompt in the minibuffer (using `loopback') is thought to be
>> less secure than using the external pinentry program?
>
> I don't know enough about this to tell. Daiki, any inputs?
I would say it's provides the same level of security as pinentry-gtk,
which no longer uses secmem these days.
It's unfortunate that one of the GnuPG contributors (who currently seems
inactive) had advertised that it was less secure, based on his Emacs 19
knowledge:
https://dev.gnupg.org/T2034#89059
Sigh. I am really disapponted with the recent development of GnuPG
(failed attempt of standardization, immature implementation of TOFU, FUD
like this, etc).
Regards,
--
Daiki Ueno
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 20:13 ` Daiki Ueno
@ 2017-12-30 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 21:06 ` Daiki Ueno
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-12-30 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daiki Ueno; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
> From: Daiki Ueno <ueno@gnu.org>
> Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson), 29906@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:04 +0100
>
> >> > ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
> >> > That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
> >> > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
> >> > GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
> >> > in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
> >> > GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
> >> > library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
> >> > supported by the upstream project.
> >> >
> >> > To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
> >> > symbol 'loopback'.
>
> I wasn't aware of this entry. Would it really make sense, given that
> pinentry.el was a new library introduced in Emacs 26?
??? I see pinentry.el in all versions of Emacs starting from 25.1.
> >> Yes, that does help, thank you. I should have checked the news.
> >>
> >> It doesn't help me decide what to do though. Do you know if using
> >> the prompt in the minibuffer (using `loopback') is thought to be
> >> less secure than using the external pinentry program?
> >
> > I don't know enough about this to tell. Daiki, any inputs?
>
> I would say it's provides the same level of security as pinentry-gtk,
> which no longer uses secmem these days.
>
> It's unfortunate that one of the GnuPG contributors (who currently seems
> inactive) had advertised that it was less secure, based on his Emacs 19
> knowledge:
> https://dev.gnupg.org/T2034#89059
Would you advise saying something along these lines in NEWS?
Thanks.
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-12-30 21:06 ` Daiki Ueno
2018-01-09 18:33 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Daiki Ueno @ 2017-12-30 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Daiki Ueno <ueno@gnu.org>
>> Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson), 29906@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:04 +0100
>>
>> >> > ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
>> >> > That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
>> >> > was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
>> >> > GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
>> >> > in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
>> >> > GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
>> >> > library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
>> >> > supported by the upstream project.
>> >> >
>> >> > To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
>> >> > symbol 'loopback'.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of this entry. Would it really make sense, given that
>> pinentry.el was a new library introduced in Emacs 26?
>
> ??? I see pinentry.el in all versions of Emacs starting from 25.1.
Oops, you are right (forgot about it). Then, perhaps it might be safer
to move it to obsolete, but I presume the impact of the removal is not
that big.
> Would you advise saying something along these lines in NEWS?
Sure.
Regards,
--
Daiki Ueno
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 21:06 ` Daiki Ueno
@ 2018-01-09 18:33 ` Glenn Morris
2018-01-15 21:11 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-01-09 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daiki Ueno; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
Daiki Ueno wrote:
>> ??? I see pinentry.el in all versions of Emacs starting from 25.1.
>
> Oops, you are right (forgot about it). Then, perhaps it might be safer
> to move it to obsolete, but I presume the impact of the removal is not
> that big.
FWIW, it does seem unusual to me to delete a library altogether.
Emacs normally moves things to obsolete/ first.
Or obsolete/pinentry.el could just contain a single line:
(setq epa-pinentry-mode 'loopback)
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2018-01-09 18:33 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2018-01-15 21:11 ` Glenn Morris
2018-01-16 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-01-15 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daiki Ueno; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
It seems clear to me that the file was deleted (rather than obsoleted)
based on a misunderstanding about whether it had been in a release.
I find it weird that this is just being ignored, but NMP.
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2018-01-15 21:11 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2018-01-16 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-16 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: nljlistbox2, ueno, 29906
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: 29906@debbugs.gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:11:58 -0500
>
> It seems clear to me that the file was deleted (rather than obsoleted)
> based on a misunderstanding about whether it had been in a release.
>
> I find it weird that this is just being ignored, but NMP.
It's IMO very unfair to represent what we did about this (see
bug#27445) as "ignoring". There's a limit to what we can do against
strong opinions of a package maintainer.
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2017-12-30 2:11 bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer N. Jackson
2017-12-30 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-09-28 23:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-30 20:14 ` Stefan Kangas
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-09-28 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson)
>> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:11:44 -0500
>>
>> When I start Gnus with `M-x gnus' I get prompted for my password
>> (for my authinfo.gpg file) in a GUI dialog box. Expected
>> behaviour: The prompt is in the minibuffer.
>>
>> Similarly, when I open a .gpg file with `C-x C-f' I am being
>> presented with a GUI dialog instead of a prompt in the minibuffer.
>>
>> In general I expect to see prompts in the minibuffer unless I
>> interact with Emacs with the mouse, through the menus or toolbar.
>>
>> This behaviour is new since I last used master a few months ago.
>
> Does this NEWS.26 entry help?
>
> ** The pinentry.el library has been removed.
> That package (and the corresponding change in GnuPG and pinentry)
> was intended to provide a way to input passphrase through Emacs with
> GnuPG 2.0. However, the change to support that was only implemented
> in GnuPG >= 2.1 and didn't get backported to GnuPG 2.0. And with
> GnuPG 2.1 and later, pinentry.el is not needed at all. So the
> library was useless, and we removed it. GnuPG 2.0 is no longer
> supported by the upstream project.
>
> To adapt to the change, you may need to set 'epa-pinentry-mode' to the
> symbol 'loopback'.
>
> What version of GnuPG do you have on that system?
If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing more to do here. Therefore, and
if no one protests within a reasonable time, I will close this as
notabug.
Best regards,
Stefan Kagas
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* bug#29906: 27.0.50; Emacs prompts for passwords in GUI dialog instead of minibuffer
2019-09-28 23:18 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-10-30 20:14 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-10-30 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: nljlistbox2, 29906
tags 29906 + notabug
close 29906
thanks
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing more to do here. Therefore, and
> if no one protests within a reasonable time, I will close this as
> notabug.
No protests within 4 weeks; closing now.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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