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From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Cc: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	65908@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	ccsmile2008@outlook.com
Subject: bug#65908: 29.1.50; Emacs 29 regresses on macOS
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 07:55:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2y1gh7gus.fsf@Pro.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZR3WJh2UeLms7rlb@idiocy.org> (Alan Third's message of "Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:16:22 +0100")

Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:

>> which is the output of 'locale' in a terminal, translated to Elisp.
>> With these settings, the slowdown is gone, without changing the code.
>
> So is Emacs run in the terminal with a LANG of something like
> en_GB.UTF-8 slower too? Because iirc my mac's terminal doesn't default
> to 'C' and I don't see anything GUI specific in the test code...
>
> FWIW I don't see any meaningful difference using different locale
> settings on my Debian box, which makes me wonder if there is some
> low-level darwin code that reads the locale from the environment. Any
> idea if it's loading the files or stepping through the defuns that's
> slower, or both?
>
> Long story short: I have no idea what's going on here.

Me neither.  I tried to find something definitive about locales+bundles
Apple's docs, and on the Internet in general, but failed miserably.
What a mess.

Anyway, something is odd here, I think.

When I start 058c012f73d4abe014ace44b46c23babd48aebbc by double-clicking
Emacs.app, then M-x shell, I get

$ locale
LANG=""
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_CTYPE="C"
LC_MESSAGES="C"
LC_MONETARY="C"
LC_NUMERIC="C"
LC_TIME="C"
LC_ALL=

That can't be right, or is it?

The same, one commit before that:

$ locale
LANG="en_DE.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_CTYPE="C"
LC_MESSAGES="C"
LC_MONETARY="C"
LC_NUMERIC="C"
LC_TIME="C"
LC_ALL=

At least LANG looks correct to me (I'm using an English UI, in DE.).
The LC_* are odd, though.

As an aside - vscode sets all of these vars to "en_US.UTF-8" which is
looks wrong, and the Zed editor does the same, except for LANG which it
set to "".

I must admit that I can't come to a conclusion here.  Maybe the right
thing would be LANG="en_DE.UTF-8" plus setting LC_ALL=$LANG like vscode?





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-05  5:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13  6:47 bug#65908: 29.1.50; Emacs 29 regresses on macOS Zhang Haijun
2023-10-04  5:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04  7:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-04  7:50     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04  8:29       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-04  8:32         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04  9:02         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-04  9:12           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04  9:12           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-04 10:55             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04 12:43               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-04 21:16                 ` Alan Third
2023-10-05  5:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05  5:55                   ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2023-10-05  6:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05  8:52                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05  9:48                         ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 11:12                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 13:18                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 16:11                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 16:33                                 ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 16:38                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 17:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 17:15                                     ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 13:51                             ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 14:01                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 14:09                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 14:58                                 ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 15:11                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 16:29                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 16:39                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 17:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 18:08                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-05 13:56                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 16:19                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 16:26                                 ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 16:43                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 16:36                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 17:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-05 17:15                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 18:25                                       ` Alan Third
2023-10-05 18:33                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05 18:46                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-05  8:58             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-05  9:03               ` Gregory Heytings

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