bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[John Mastro]

By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type
s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I
type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets
Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does
not.

The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super"
or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command
to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'.

Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It
would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more
explicitly.

Please let me know if I can provide any additional information.

Thanks,

John

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bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[Alan Third]

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:30:33PM -0700, John Mastro wrote:
> By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type
> s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I
> type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets
> Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does
> not.
> 
> The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super"
> or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command
> to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'.
> 
> Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It
> would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more
> explicitly.

Hmm, what’s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mode.
You can see the shortcuts in system preferences ‐> keyboard ‐>
shortcuts. I don’t know why you’ve not seen this before as I think
it’s been the default in macOS for quite a while now.

I don’t know if we can over‐ride this, and I don’t know that we’d want
to. 
-- 
Alan Third

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 11:28:10 +0100
> From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> Cc: 31415@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:30:33PM -0700, John Mastro wrote:
> > By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type
> > s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I
> > type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets
> > Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does
> > not.
> > 
> > The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super"
> > or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command
> > to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'.
> > 
> > Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It
> > would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more
> > explicitly.
> 
> Hmm, what’s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mode.
> You can see the shortcuts in system preferences ‐> keyboard ‐>
> shortcuts. I don’t know why you’ve not seen this before as I think
> it’s been the default in macOS for quite a while now.
> 
> I don’t know if we can over‐ride this, and I don’t know that we’d want
> to. 

If this cannot (or shouldn't) be fixed, how about mentioning it in the
manual?

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[John Mastro]

Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
>> By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type
>> s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I
>> type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets
>> Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does
>> not.
>>
>> The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super"
>> or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command
>> to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'.
>>
>> Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It
>> would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more
>> explicitly.
>
> Hmm, what’s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mode.
> You can see the shortcuts in system preferences ‐> keyboard ‐>
> shortcuts. I don’t know why you’ve not seen this before as I think
> it’s been the default in macOS for quite a while now.
>
> I don’t know if we can over‐ride this, and I don’t know that we’d want
> to.

Wow, indeed, you're right.

I say "wow" because I was extremely sure I'd been using Command-$ (as
M-$) semi-regularly on MacOS for years. However, this morning I tried
this at several commits a ways back, and it's clear I was
mis-remembering or hallucinating or something :)

Thanks, and sorry for the noise

        John

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[Alan Third]

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 06:08:07PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 11:28:10 +0100
> > From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> > Cc: 31415@debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > Hmm, what’s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mode.
> > You can see the shortcuts in system preferences ‐> keyboard ‐>
> > shortcuts. I don’t know why you’ve not seen this before as I think
> > it’s been the default in macOS for quite a while now.
> > 
> > I don’t know if we can over‐ride this, and I don’t know that we’d want
> > to. 
> 
> If this cannot (or shouldn't) be fixed, how about mentioning it in the
> manual?

There are a lot of default shortcuts, and they’re almost all
customisable. It might be worth adding some text about how changing
the behaviour of the modifier keys in Emacs doesn’t change their
effect in macOS.

But I think that bit of the manual, modifier keys (macOS), could do
with being rewritten. It’s slightly misleading and doesn’t mention the
ns-command-modifier variables at all.
-- 
Alan Third

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 19:52:21 +0100
> From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> Cc: john.b.mastro@gmail.com, 31415@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> There are a lot of default shortcuts, and they’re almost all
> customisable. It might be worth adding some text about how changing
> the behaviour of the modifier keys in Emacs doesn’t change their
> effect in macOS.
> 
> But I think that bit of the manual, modifier keys (macOS), could do
> with being rewritten. It’s slightly misleading and doesn’t mention the
> ns-command-modifier variables at all.

Patches welcome, thanks.

bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS

[Alan Third]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> But I think that bit of the manual, modifier keys (macOS), could do
>> with being rewritten. It’s slightly misleading and doesn’t mention the
>> ns-command-modifier variables at all.
>
> Patches welcome, thanks.

Mattias Engdegård updated this section of the manual as part of
bug#38296, so I'm closing this bug report.
-- 
Alan Third