From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: <emacs@kosowsky.org>
Cc: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>, 15648@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:59:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvob6ei3d8.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21097.27136.910137.181740@consult.pretender> (emacs@kosowsky.org's message of "Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:42:08 -0400")
>> Good point. The problem is the use of file-exists-p (which tests if
>> Elisp code can reach this file) instead of another function along the
>> lines of file-accessible-directory-p, which checks whether the file name
>> is reachable to C-level system primitives.
> Note that the predicate "file-accessible-directory-p" is also one of
I didn't mean to say that file-accessible-directory-p is the
right answer. Only that something *like it* should be used.
I.e. a function specifically meant to give you some idea about whether
that file is known to the OS primitives.
>> expand-file-name is not the right function, even if in some cases it may
>> happen to help.
> Why isn't it the right one?
> The function name describes it as "Convert filename NAME to absolute,
> and *canonicalize* it." (emphasis added)
You give too much meaning to "canonicalize": it does not imply that it's
the name used outside of Emacs. It just means to try and remove things
like "<something>/../foo/<somethingelse>".
So the output will be a "somewhat canonicalized Elisp file name".
Not necessarily an "OS-level file name". `cygwin-mount' happens to use
expand-file-name to convert the name from one form to another, basically
for pragmatic reasons: that's what exists and it is called often enough
that it works OK in practice.
> It seems that any proper Magic File handler should (by definition)
> hook into expand-file-name to provide an absolute canonicalized path,
Think of a magic file handler that provides access to members of a zip
or tar archive or think of file name handlers for Tramp.
These "canonical" file names still won't help you.
> Alternatively, how else would you recommend generally and portably
> canonicalizing a Magic file path?
You'd first have to define what kind of "canonicalizing" you want to do.
I think in the present case what you want is to turn an Elisp file name
into a file name understood by OS-level primitives (or nil if that
can't be done). We don't have such a function right now. So my
recommendation is to add such a function.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-25 0:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-18 18:29 bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely emacs
2013-10-18 19:38 ` Glenn Morris
2013-10-20 20:24 ` emacs
2013-10-21 14:22 ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-21 19:30 ` emacs
2013-10-22 13:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 15:23 ` emacs
2013-10-22 15:41 ` emacs
2013-10-22 19:10 ` emacs
2013-10-22 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 20:22 ` emacs
2013-10-22 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-22 22:27 ` emacs
2013-10-23 2:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 4:17 ` emacs
2013-10-23 14:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-23 17:25 ` emacs
2013-10-23 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 18:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-23 23:45 ` emacs
2013-10-24 0:13 ` emacs
2013-10-24 10:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-24 14:10 ` emacs
2013-10-24 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-24 17:02 ` emacs
2013-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-24 18:42 ` emacs
2013-10-25 0:59 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2013-10-25 13:59 ` emacs
2013-10-26 1:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-29 5:13 ` emacs
2013-11-03 11:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-03 15:12 ` emacs
2013-11-03 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-03 19:12 ` emacs
2013-11-04 16:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 19:12 ` emacs
2013-11-11 19:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-11 20:00 ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:00 ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-11 23:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-12 0:45 ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 21:53 ` emacs
2013-11-12 3:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-12 15:19 ` emacs
2013-11-12 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83ppq51pq8.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-11-12 18:08 ` Drew Adams
2013-11-03 21:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 15:16 ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 17:12 ` emacs
2013-10-23 18:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 19:49 ` emacs
2013-10-24 2:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-25 3:17 ` emacs
2013-10-25 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-25 15:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-25 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-03 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-04 16:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-04 18:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 22:14 ` emacs
2013-11-05 2:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-05 23:11 ` emacs
2013-11-05 23:16 ` Alp Aker
2013-11-05 23:54 ` emacs
2013-11-11 15:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-11 19:40 ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 21:56 ` emacs
2013-11-12 3:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-12 15:23 ` emacs
2013-11-06 3:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-06 5:45 ` emacs
2013-10-22 15:43 ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-22 20:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 20:35 ` Andy Moreton
2013-10-22 20:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
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