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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: <emacs@kosowsky.org>
Cc: 15648@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 06:59:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eh7bj5no.fsf_-_@flea.lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21096.24492.292723.589004@consult.pretender> (emacs@kosowsky.org's message of "Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:45:48 -0400, Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:13:52 -0400")

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:45:48 -0400 <emacs@kosowsky.org> wrote: 

> The irony is that the patch to fix this is about as simple and natural
> as can be... simply use one reference to the primitive
> "expand-file-name". Conversely, without such a patch there is no other
> way of making file handlers work with gnutls!

> Either the bug is in including a Cygwin path or in not using a simple
> path expansion to make the Cygwin path work. You can't include a
> Cygwin path but write code in the very same library that by design
> won't support it's own feature!

Provide a backtrace, please.  I promise you we'll consider your proposal
and all the alternatives as soon as we know what's broken.

> Just one addendum...

> If the maintainers of gnutls.el for some presumably unstated by
> compelling reason do not want to support Magic File names (aka file
> handlers),

There's no need to be snarky.  Emacs has many contributors and I
maintain gnutls.el (but welcome contributions).  I will gladly make the
change to avoid a path like "/usr/ssl/whatever" that doesn't work in
Cygwin, but I don't want to make that change in order to hide an
underlying problem.  Eli has the best background to make sense of this
problem and diagnose it.

In other words, if a magic path can break Emacs because of some library
interaction beneath the ELisp code, the fix is *probably* not at the
ELisp level because there are so many potential trigger points for the
bad behavior.

> then the library code should:

> 1. Properly disable the use of file handlers so that modified
>    primitives (like file-exist-p) fail on cygwin paths.

>    One way would be to add the following line to the let* statement in
>    gnutls-negotiate:
> 		(file-name-handler-alist nil)

> 2. DOCUMENT that gnutls doesn't support Magic File names

Thank you, we'll take that under consideration as well.

Ted





  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-24 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-18 18:29 bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely emacs
2013-10-18 19:38 ` Glenn Morris
2013-10-20 20:24   ` emacs
2013-10-21 14:22   ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-21 19:30     ` emacs
2013-10-22 13:27       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 15:23         ` emacs
2013-10-22 15:41           ` emacs
2013-10-22 19:10             ` emacs
2013-10-22 20:06               ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 20:22                 ` emacs
2013-10-22 20:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-22 22:27               ` emacs
2013-10-23  2:51                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23  4:17                 ` emacs
2013-10-23 14:52                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-23 17:25                     ` emacs
2013-10-23 18:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 18:58                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-23 23:45                           ` emacs
2013-10-24  0:13                             ` emacs
2013-10-24 10:59                             ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2013-10-24 14:10                               ` emacs
2013-10-24 15:48                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-24 17:02                                   ` emacs
2013-10-24 17:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-24 18:42                                   ` emacs
2013-10-25  0:59                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-25 13:59                                       ` emacs
2013-10-26  1:52                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-29  5:13                                           ` emacs
2013-11-03 11:42                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-03 15:12                                             ` emacs
2013-11-03 17:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-03 19:12                                                 ` emacs
2013-11-04 16:28                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 16:58                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 19:12                                                     ` emacs
2013-11-11 19:42                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-11 20:00                                                         ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:00                                                         ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-11 23:58                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-12  0:45                                                             ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:06                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 21:53                                                         ` emacs
2013-11-12  3:56                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-12 15:19                                                             ` emacs
2013-11-12 17:42                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                               ` <<83ppq51pq8.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-11-12 18:08                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2013-11-03 21:37                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 15:16                   ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 17:12                     ` emacs
2013-10-23 18:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-23 19:49                         ` emacs
2013-10-24  2:46                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-25  3:17                         ` emacs
2013-10-25 14:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-25 15:38                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-25 18:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-03 17:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-04 16:44                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 17:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-04 18:05                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-04 22:14                                       ` emacs
2013-11-05  2:30                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-05 23:11                                           ` emacs
2013-11-05 23:16                                             ` Alp Aker
2013-11-05 23:54                                               ` emacs
2013-11-11 15:53                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-11 19:40                                                   ` emacs
2013-11-11 20:11                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-11 21:56                                                       ` emacs
2013-11-12  3:58                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-12 15:23                                                           ` emacs
2013-11-06  3:51                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-06  5:45                                               ` emacs
2013-10-22 15:43         ` bug#15648: 24.2.50; gnutls SSL connection to IMAP server causes emacs to crash completely, " Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-22 20:03           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-10-22 20:35           ` Andy Moreton
2013-10-22 20:45             ` Eli Zaretskii

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