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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>
Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>,
	rrandresf@gmail.com, Tim Vaughan <timv@ughan.xyz>,
	41423@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41423: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest]
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 20:31:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvo8mpoxiw.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2009011601460453.12780@sdf.lonestar.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Tue, 1 Sep 2020 17:40:41 +0200 (CEST)")

>> Since in your example you have 2 commands (TAB and RET), that gives you
>> a total of 3.
> Hmmm...  It seems to me that in this case, we're done after the first call
> to pcomplete-completions-at-point,

Usually it depends on whether the completion inserts a separator
(e.g. a space in the case of Eshell/Pcomplete).  Otherwise, point is
still placed "within" (tho probably right at the END position) the
completion area and hence completion is not considered to be finished.
You can refine/tune the completion tables so that completion will
considered as finished in more cases, but that wouldn't solve the
problem in the general case anyway.

>> This design relies on the fact that completion tables can be lazy, so it
>> should always be possible to make the completion-at-point-function very
>> cheap and harmless, so it's OK to call it repeatedly (or even needlessly).
> This is not at all documented AFAICS.  Given that it's a crucial aspect for
> your design to work, it should be.

The lispref says the following:

    The functions on this hook should generally return quickly, since they
    may be called very often (e.g., from @code{post-command-hook}).
    Supplying a function for @var{collection} is strongly recommended if
    generating the list of completions is an expensive operation.  Emacs
    may internally call functions in @code{completion-at-point-functions}
    many times, but care about the value of @var{collection} for only some
    of these calls.  By supplying a function for @var{collection}, Emacs
    can defer generating completions until necessary.  You can use
    @code{completion-table-dynamic} to create a wrapper function:

>>> There is no reason to call pcomplete-completions-at-point when RET
>>> is pressed.
>> If running that function is costly, it's a bug.
> It was not before you declared `pcomplete' obsolete and removed
> `eshell-pcomplete'.

Indeed, making the Pcomplete infrastructure compatible with the standard
completion UI introduced some incompatibilities.

This was true before `pcomplete` was declared obsolete, tho: it has been
true since the introduction of `pcomplete-completions-at-point` (some
time around Emacs-24, IIRC).

> "Provide standard completion using pcomplete's completion tables. Same as
> `pcomplete' but using the standard completion UI."
> It's NOT the same as `pcomplete', it relies on different conditions.
> All completion functions called by `pcomplete-completions-at-point' should
> be checked and possibly changed with this new design.

In practice it works fairly well for most cases, but yes some functions
needed to be changed, and others remain, obviously.

> Given this, why did you declared `pcomplete' obsolete (it would make sense
> to have both a simple mechanism for simple cases and a more complex one for
> more complex cases), and why did you remove `eshell-pcomplete'?

There are several questions in there.  I deprecated `pcomplete` and
`eshell-pcomplete` because AFAIK they didn't have noticeably fewer bugs
than `completion-at-point` any more and neither did they offer any
feature available from `completion-at-point`.

W.r.t simple mechanism for simple cases, I'm not sure what that would
concretely look like in this particular case.

Some motivations for `pcomplete-completions-at-point`:
- make it possible to remove duplicate code that deals with the UI
  aspect of completion (i.e. the `pcomplete` command) rather than the
  core purpose of `pcomplete.el` which is to provide a way to specify
  which completion table applies where on a command line.
- let the `pcomplete` machinery work with the standard UI, which means
  it can also (mostly) obey `completion-styles`.
- let the `pcomplete` machinery work with other UIs such as
  `company-mode`.  I believe this last point is more important now.

> Indeed this patch works.

Thanks.

> But now my question is: whould it not be possible to do this (namely,
> returning a lazy completion table) in one of the pcomplete-* functions (in
> `pcomplete-completions-at-point' itself, or in `pcomplete-completions',
> or...), instead of doing this in the individual functions ultimately called
> by `pcomplete-completions-at-point'?

IIRC it wasn't really easy/possible, no.  E.g. in the patch I sent
I think there's a bug in that a leading * should change the START..END
returned by `pcomplete-completion-at-point-function` so the `glob-name`
computation should be done outside of the `completion-table-dynamic`.

It could have been made a bit simpler and cleaner I guess if I had
decided to "start over from scratch" and force a rewrite of every
pcomplete/<foo> function (basically every such function would have to
return the same kind of info as returned by
`completion-at-point-functions`).

It would not have had any code in common with `pcomplete` any more,
other than the underlying design (which I find very clever&elegant).


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-02  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-20 16:20 bug#41423: 27.0.91; tramp regression on pretest rrandresf
     [not found] ` <handler.41423.B.158999173030371.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2020-05-20 17:35   ` bug#41423: additional info andrés ramírez
2020-05-28 11:48     ` bug#41423: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest] (was: bug#41423: additional info) Michael Albinus
2021-02-01  2:45       ` bug#41423: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest] Stefan Monnier
2021-02-01  4:36         ` bug#41423: Installing the fix for bug#41423 on emacs-27 (was: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest]) Stefan Monnier
2021-02-01  9:59           ` bug#41423: Installing the fix for bug#41423 on emacs-27 Michael Albinus
2021-02-01 14:47           ` bug#41423: Installing the fix for bug#41423 on emacs-27 (was: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest]) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-01 15:33             ` bug#41423: Installing the fix for bug#41423 on emacs-27 Stefan Monnier
2021-02-01 15:53               ` andrés ramírez
2021-02-01 16:13                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-01 17:35                   ` andrés ramírez
2022-06-27  8:29                   ` bug#41423: bug#47389: 27.1.91; completion issue on eshell Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-27 11:37                     ` andrés ramírez
2022-06-27 11:44                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-19 10:24 ` bug#41423: 27.0.91; eshell file completion in tramp dir is slow (3 minutes) [regression on pretest] Tim Vaughan via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-27 14:38 ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-28  9:32   ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-28 13:17     ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-28 23:15       ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-29 12:38         ` Michael Albinus
2020-08-29 15:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-29 16:12             ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-30  3:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-30 22:28                 ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-31  8:30                   ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-01  4:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-01  8:31                     ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-01 10:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-01 11:50                         ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-01 13:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-01 13:30                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-01 15:41                               ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-01 13:04                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-01 15:40                         ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-02  0:31                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-09-02 10:26                             ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-02 10:33                               ` Michael Albinus
2020-09-02 16:00                                 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-31 17:07                                   ` xristos--- via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-02 16:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-02 19:52                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-09-02 20:08                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-29 13:08 ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-29 16:54   ` Michael Albinus
2020-08-29 17:14     ` Gregory Heytings via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-08-29 17:28       ` Michael Albinus
2021-04-21 16:06 ` bug#41423: Installing the fix for bug#41423 on emacs-27 Andrés Ramírez
2021-04-23 22:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-24  3:37     ` andrés ramírez

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