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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Sebastian Wiesner <swiesner@lunaryorn.com>
Cc: 18077@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#18077: 24.4.50; Info-quoted face should inherit default
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:16:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvbnsb3yrl.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1D8FB3F1-0916-4C33-8C9D-A9C91774682D@lunaryorn.com> (Sebastian Wiesner's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:58:56 +0200")

> What expectations?

The expectations of someone reading online documentation.  Most online
documentation I can find don't use bold, italics, or colors to
distinguish "technical elements" like those that usually appear in
Info-quoted face.

> And if it’s just *your* expectation and your preference, doesn’t it belong
> into your personal "init.el" then?

I indeed have a different personal setting for Info-quoted in my .emacs,
but I wouldn't want to push this as the default.

> Oh, well, they are of quite some importance, since they happen to
> demonstrate what this is all about:  That courier is not consistently of
> good quality, and can be a very poor font on some systems.

No need for a screenshot to convince me of that, then.
When I say "concrete case" I don't mean "please try to construct
a situation where this happen" (I can usually do it myself), but rather
"did someone involuntarily bump into this in his everyday use of Emacs?".

So, IIUC, this is still hypothetical.

>> Have you looked at whether or not face-font-family-alternatives would
>> provide a good fix?
> I’m not sure whether I can follow.  I mean, I could add an arbitrary “good”
> font as alias for "courier" myself, but then I could just customize the
> "Info-quoted" face right away (which is what I’m doing currently).

On those systems that have a bad "courier" font (probably
bitmapped), do they usually have another font that looks good and is almost
identical (but obviously under a different name)?

> And if the system can’t provide proper courier font or alias, how
> could Emacs do any better?

I think the best we can do is to choose another monospaced font
with serif.  After all, face-font-family-alternatives already has
a fallback to "fixed" as a last resort, so any monospaced font with
serif would be a better fit than "fixed".


        Stefan





  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-27 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-22  8:15 bug#18077: 24.4.50; Info-quoted face should inherit default swiesner
2014-07-25  8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-25 10:25   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-25 12:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-25 14:03       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-27 23:30         ` Juri Linkov
2014-07-28  8:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-03 23:58             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-04  7:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-25 22:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-25 22:55   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-26  8:03     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-26  8:58       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-27 10:16         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-07-27 20:04           ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-27 23:23             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-28  8:33               ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-26  7:47   ` Andreas Schwab

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