From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18077: 24.4.50; Info-quoted face should inherit default Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:16:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8761ipn711.fsf@lunaryorn.fritz.box> <9C6E94EB-5A94-49E6-BCE4-A08FCB6830A6@lunaryorn.com> <1D8FB3F1-0916-4C33-8C9D-A9C91774682D@lunaryorn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406456251 32570 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2014 10:17:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18077@debbugs.gnu.org To: Sebastian Wiesner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 12:17:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLW5-0001w1-6b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:17:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34452 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLW4-00007a-KQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVu-00006R-9V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVm-00020N-PA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:17:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVm-00020B-LO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVl-0008H5-Vu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18077.140645620531782 (code B ref 18077); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2014 10:16:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39185 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVV-0008GY-A5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-pri-01.vtxnet.net ([212.147.62.135]:38272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBLVS-0008GP-S5 for 18077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:16:43 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-pri-01.vtxnet.net (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id B825ACFD0C; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from smtp-pri-01.vtxnet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-pri-01.vtxnet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOPk08OumZkt; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (dyn.83-228-141-040.dsl.vtx.ch [83.228.141.40]) by smtp-pri-01.vtxnet.net (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id 1F8D0CFD0B; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DA8F4AE1BC; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:16:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1D8FB3F1-0916-4C33-8C9D-A9C91774682D@lunaryorn.com> (Sebastian Wiesner's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:58:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91842 Archived-At: > What expectations? The expectations of someone reading online documentation. Most online documentation I can find don't use bold, italics, or colors to distinguish "technical elements" like those that usually appear in Info-quoted face. > And if it=E2=80=99s just *your* expectation and your preference, doesn=E2= =80=99t it belong > into your personal "init.el" then? I indeed have a different personal setting for Info-quoted in my .emacs, but I wouldn't want to push this as the default. > Oh, well, they are of quite some importance, since they happen to > demonstrate what this is all about: That courier is not consistently of > good quality, and can be a very poor font on some systems. No need for a screenshot to convince me of that, then. When I say "concrete case" I don't mean "please try to construct a situation where this happen" (I can usually do it myself), but rather "did someone involuntarily bump into this in his everyday use of Emacs?". So, IIUC, this is still hypothetical. >> Have you looked at whether or not face-font-family-alternatives would >> provide a good fix? > I=E2=80=99m not sure whether I can follow. I mean, I could add an arbitr= ary =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D > font as alias for "courier" myself, but then I could just customize the > "Info-quoted" face right away (which is what I=E2=80=99m doing currently). On those systems that have a bad "courier" font (probably bitmapped), do they usually have another font that looks good and is almost identical (but obviously under a different name)? > And if the system can=E2=80=99t provide proper courier font or alias, how > could Emacs do any better? I think the best we can do is to choose another monospaced font with serif. After all, face-font-family-alternatives already has a fallback to "fixed" as a last resort, so any monospaced font with serif would be a better fit than "fixed". Stefan