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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	54079@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#54079: 29.0.50; Method dispatching eratically fails
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 13:06:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv35jrui02.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YijnIA12P7xs8dlV@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:42:56 +0000")

>> I don't understand the scenario you're thinking of.
>> Are you thinking of something like `(eval-when-compile (byte-compile ...))?
> Yes.
>> Does that ever happen in real life?
> Probably exceedingly seldomly.
> What's to be gained by not catering to this unusual case?  What do we
> lose?

We lose making it work right for the 99% other cases that *do* occur?

>> >> And why bother stripping the result of `byte-compile-eval`?
>> > Because it might be the result of evaluating a defun (or defvar or
>> > defconst).
>
>> AFAIK sympos should only appear within the compiler pipeline between the
>> "read" and the "emit resulting bytecode".  They may be passed to various
>> functions and macros along the way, but I can't think of any scenario
>> where they'd end up returned by `(byte-compile-)eval`.
>
>> > This was the situation which gave rise to the bug.
>
>> Could you give some details about how it played out?
>> [ Either here or as a comment in the code.  ]
>
> Michael byte compiled cl-generic.el.  This created cl-generic.elc
> correctly, but also left uncompiled forms in the function cells of the
> symbols defun'd inside an eval-{when,and}-compile.  These forms
> contained symbols with positions.

Hmm... we're talking about stripping the result of `byte-compile-eval`.
This function is only used for `eval-when-compile`, not `eval-and-compile`.
And nothing in your above description indicates that the sympos appeared
in the resulting value of `eval-when-compile` (as opposed to appearing
in the slot of functions and variables that were set during the course
of the evaluation).

>> >> Fundamentally, `eval` should always strip before doing its job.
>> > Except when what it's evaluating is a defun, defmacrro, defsubst, etc.
>> Why?
> Because that evaluated form might later be byte compiled, and the SWPs
> will be needed for that.

I don't understand the scenario you're thinking of.
Are thinking of a case like:

- something causes the execution of (eval '(defun foo ...))
- the user types `M-x byte-compile RET foo RET`

If so, then:
- I don't think we should care about this case because it's extremely
  rare and fundamentally broken (the symbol's function cell contains
  a function *value* (i.e. a closure) and not a function's source code,
  so in general we need `byte-compile--reify-function` which implements
  a heuristic to go back to something like a source form, which can
  break in various ways in corner cases).
- If we don't strip before calling the `M-x byte-compile` then the code
  may/will bisbehave because of the presence of the sympos.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-09 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-21  0:12 bug#54079: 29.0.50; Method dispatching eratically fails Michael Heerdegen
2022-02-21  1:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-04 16:12   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-21  3:16 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-02-21  4:21   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-02-22 23:55     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-02-23  0:27       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-02-23  0:47         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-04  2:08           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-04 19:11             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-05 16:37             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-05 17:57               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-05 19:00                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-05 23:01                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-05 18:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-05 19:07                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-06  2:19               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-08 19:28                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-08 19:53                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-08 20:48                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-08 21:03                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-09 17:42                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-09 18:06                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-03-09 20:32                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-09 22:04                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-11 22:01                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-12  4:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-13 16:49                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-14 12:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-03-09  4:10                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-09 17:29                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-16  1:44                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-16 11:52                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-03-16 19:22                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-17  2:58                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-16 19:29                         ` Alan Mackenzie

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