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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>,
	"Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	"15809@debbugs.gnu.org" <15809@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#15809: [External] : Re: bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings'
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:24:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488135278854FB81545AFE0F3A59@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D0F524A8-6F43-4A73-928B-EC91FAFA2866@acm.org>

> > (define-widget 'natnum 'restricted-sexp
> >   "A nonnegative integer."
> >   :tag "Integer (positive)"
> 
> Sorry, but this is just wrong. 0 is not a positive integer. If nobody
> fixes this then I will.

100% agreement that "positive" is wrong - it does
not apply to 0.

> And regarding whether natural numbers include zero, the answer is that
> yes, they do. The notion that they don't is antiquated; today 0 is
> assumed to be included by default unless otherwise stated or hinted in
> the notation. Let's not spread some silly 19th century bickering about
> something that was settled long ago.

It's not about what is current or appropriate in
math etc.  It's about providing doc that leaves
less room for confusion.  And yes, "natural number"
is understood differently by different people,
unfortunately.  It's not hard to be clear, here.
"Nonnegative integer" is short, clear, unambiguous.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-25 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <D0F524A8-6F43-4A73-928B-EC91FAFA2866@acm.org>
2021-09-25 10:50 ` bug#15809: 24.3.50; wrong defcustom type for `suggest-key-bindings' Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-25 10:57 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-25 13:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25 13:07   ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-25 14:53     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25 18:32       ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-25 15:31   ` bug#15809: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-25 15:24 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-11-05 15:30 Drew Adams
2014-02-08  3:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-28  7:50   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-28  8:00     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-28 14:25       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-24 23:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25  1:50           ` bug#15809: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-24 23:34       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25  1:09         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-25  1:29           ` bug#15809: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-25  1:24         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-25  2:25           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25 15:22             ` Drew Adams
2021-09-25 15:56               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-25 16:01               ` Eli Zaretskii

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