* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
@ 2021-11-10 23:36 Scott Otterson
2022-09-20 12:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Scott Otterson @ 2021-11-10 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 51758
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When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click
NO, emacs will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory."
Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually
put in my EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current
dir.
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In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32)
of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS
Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6
Repository branch: HEAD
Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000
System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (v10.0.2009.22000.318)
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user-error: There is no thing at point that could be visited
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2021-11-10 23:36 bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Scott Otterson
@ 2022-09-20 12:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-20 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-09-20 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Otterson; +Cc: 51758, 'Eli Zaretskii'
Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org> writes:
> When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click NO, emacs
> will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory."
>
> Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually put in my
> EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current dir.
I guess this is from w32fns.c:
button = MessageBox (NULL,
"A fatal error has occurred!\n\n"
"Would you like to attach a debugger?\n\n"
"Select:\n"
"YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n"
"NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n"
" (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)."
#if __GNUC__
"\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n"
"\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)"
#endif
, "Emacs Abort Dialog",
Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace
in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.)
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 12:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-09-20 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-20 13:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-09-20 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 51758, scotto
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: 51758@debbugs.gnu.org, "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:22:04 +0200
>
> Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org> writes:
>
> > When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click NO, emacs
> > will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory."
> >
> > Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually put in my
> > EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current dir.
>
> I guess this is from w32fns.c:
>
> button = MessageBox (NULL,
> "A fatal error has occurred!\n\n"
> "Would you like to attach a debugger?\n\n"
> "Select:\n"
> "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n"
> "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n"
> " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)."
> #if __GNUC__
> "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n"
> "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)"
> #endif
> , "Emacs Abort Dialog",
>
> Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace
> in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.)
The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME
directory.
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-09-20 13:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-20 14:13 ` Scott Otterson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-09-20 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51758, scotto
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> "Select:\n"
>> "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n"
>> "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n"
>> " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)."
>> #if __GNUC__
>> "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n"
>> "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)"
>> #endif
>> , "Emacs Abort Dialog",
>>
>> Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace
>> in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.)
>
> The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME
> directory.
Or perhaps the user thinks that the "current directory" here is
`current-directory'?
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 13:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-09-20 14:13 ` Scott Otterson
2022-09-20 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Scott Otterson @ 2022-09-20 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 51758, Eli Zaretskii
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That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the
`current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd guess.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 6:05 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> "Select:\n"
> >> "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n"
> >> "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n"
> >> " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)."
> >> #if __GNUC__
> >> "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n"
> >> "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)"
> >> #endif
> >> , "Emacs Abort Dialog",
> >>
> >> Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace
> >> in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.)
> >
> > The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME
> > directory.
>
> Or perhaps the user thinks that the "current directory" here is
> `current-directory'?
>
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 14:13 ` Scott Otterson
@ 2022-09-20 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-20 14:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <CAPY3P0Tj-GpVyZZ4KgSS8KKvOx+R5KJjbCP2C-UPGtMY98MLUg@mail.gmail.com>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-09-20 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Otterson; +Cc: 51758, larsi
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:13:36 -0700
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 51758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd
> guess.
What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where
do you think that is?
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-09-20 14:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-20 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <CAPY3P0Tj-GpVyZZ4KgSS8KKvOx+R5KJjbCP2C-UPGtMY98MLUg@mail.gmail.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-09-20 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51758, Scott Otterson
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the
>> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd
>> guess.
>
> What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where
> do you think that is?
"The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash
happened" would be the natural interpretation.
Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started
from"? That should be clear.
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
[not found] ` <CAPY3P0Tj-GpVyZZ4KgSS8KKvOx+R5KJjbCP2C-UPGtMY98MLUg@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2022-09-20 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-20 15:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-09-20 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Otterson; +Cc: 51758, Lars Ingebrigtsen
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:31:34 -0700
>
> The default directory of the buffer that was active when emacs crashed. In my case, I had only one buffer
> open, so this was obvious, but I can see how it wouldn't be necessarily.
Yes, but which buffer? When Emacs crashes, there could be several
buffers in the session, each one with its own default-directory.
> So, Lars's recommended text change seems like a good one to me.
Lars suggested to say EMACSHOME, which is simply incorrect.
Would it be okay to say that the file gets written in the directory
where Emacs was started? The only problem with that is that people
may not know where that is...
[Please use "Reply All" to replay, so that the bug tracker is CC'ed.]
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-09-20 15:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-09-20 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51758, Scott Otterson
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> So, Lars's recommended text change seems like a good one to me.
>
> Lars suggested to say EMACSHOME, which is simply incorrect.
No, I suggested:
> Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started
> from"? That should be clear.
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 14:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-09-20 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-20 17:02 ` Scott Otterson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-09-20 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 51758, scotto
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>, 51758@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:52:26 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the
> >> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd
> >> guess.
> >
> > What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where
> > do you think that is?
>
> "The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash
> happened" would be the natural interpretation.
You mean default-directory, I presume?
The problem, as I explained, is that there's a different one in every
buffer, and there could be many of them. As far as users are
concerned, Emacs doesn't have a well-defined notion of "current
directory", so saying "where the user was" makes little sense with
Emacs.
> Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started
> from"? That should be clear.
I'm okay with that, I just fear that many users won't know where that
is. On MS-Windows, the starting directory can (and usually is)
determined by the desktop shortcut used to start Emacs, and people
rarely are aware where is that.
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-09-20 17:02 ` Scott Otterson
2022-09-20 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Scott Otterson @ 2022-09-20 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51758, Lars Ingebrigtsen
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Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place:
~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever)
and then change the docs to match.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 8:48 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> > Cc: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>, 51758@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:52:26 +0200
> >
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> > >> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the
> > >> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd
> > >> guess.
> > >
> > > What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where
> > > do you think that is?
> >
> > "The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash
> > happened" would be the natural interpretation.
>
> You mean default-directory, I presume?
>
> The problem, as I explained, is that there's a different one in every
> buffer, and there could be many of them. As far as users are
> concerned, Emacs doesn't have a well-defined notion of "current
> directory", so saying "where the user was" makes little sense with
> Emacs.
>
> > Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started
> > from"? That should be clear.
>
> I'm okay with that, I just fear that many users won't know where that
> is. On MS-Windows, the starting directory can (and usually is)
> determined by the desktop shortcut used to start Emacs, and people
> rarely are aware where is that.
>
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 17:02 ` Scott Otterson
@ 2022-09-20 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-20 18:14 ` Scott Otterson
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-09-20 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Scott Otterson; +Cc: 51758, larsi
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:02:00 -0700
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 51758@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place:
>
> ~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever)
>
> and then change the docs to match.
No, doing anything non-trivial when Emacs is crashing runs the risk of
jeopardizing the backtrace production.
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* bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir
2022-09-20 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-09-20 18:14 ` Scott Otterson
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Scott Otterson @ 2022-09-20 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 51758, Lars Ingebrigtsen
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OK, a doc fix then, I suppose.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:28 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: Scott Otterson <scotto@sharpleaf.org>
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:02:00 -0700
> > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 51758@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place:
> >
> > ~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever)
> >
> > and then change the docs to match.
>
> No, doing anything non-trivial when Emacs is crashing runs the risk of
> jeopardizing the backtrace production.
>
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