* bug#48108: Fwd: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] [not found] <CAAeL0SRmG9KtR7PLcmYrS2DUsiuWz72stWz=ir5F02rZnLfJ3A@mail.gmail.com> @ 2022-11-28 8:59 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 12:44 ` bug#48108: " Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 48108 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 733 bytes --] `native-compile-prune-cache' does not remove the preloaded/ subdir (or its contents) of the native-lisp/ directories, and consequently does not remove the directories themselves. For example, after running it I still have *.eln files in the following directories (comp-native-version-dir = "29.0.50-c0f9fe8e"): ~/.emacs.d/.eln-cache/29.0.50-c0f9fe8e D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-57ea32b2\preloaded D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-7c1dd663\preloaded D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-a22e1c10\preloaded D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-c0f9fe8e\preloaded which means the command deleted the stale cache in ~/.emacs.d/, but not the ones in the source tree. Is that intended? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1071 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] [not found] <CAAeL0SRmG9KtR7PLcmYrS2DUsiuWz72stWz=ir5F02rZnLfJ3A@mail.gmail.com> 2022-11-28 8:59 ` bug#48108: Fwd: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 13:09 ` Juanma Barranquero 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 09:39:14 +0100 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>, > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > > `native-compile-prune-cache' does not remove the preloaded/ subdir (or its contents) of the native-lisp/ > directories, and consequently does not remove the directories themselves. > > For example, after running it I still have *.eln files in the following directories (comp-native-version-dir = > "29.0.50-c0f9fe8e"): > > ~/.emacs.d/.eln-cache/29.0.50-c0f9fe8e > D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-57ea32b2\preloaded > D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-7c1dd663\preloaded > D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-a22e1c10\preloaded > D:\Devel\emacs\repo\trunk\native-lisp\29.0.50-c0f9fe8e\preloaded > > which means the command deleted the stale cache in ~/.emacs.d/, but not the ones in the source tree. > > Is that intended? AFAIR, yes. The command is intended to help users to clean up the eln-cache of files _they_ compile, but it isn't supposed to touch *.eln files installed as part of Emacs. That's for sysadmins. And besides, on many systems the preloaded *.eln files are not writable by "normal" users. See bug#48108, where this was discussed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 12:44 ` bug#48108: " Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 13:09 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 13:22 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 361 bytes --] Some of the weird things I see are perhaps the consequence of running Emacs in place from the build tree. It is assumed that normal users have write access to native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxxx/, but not to native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxx/preloaded? The function already deletes any *.eln file in a stale native VERSION-xxxxxxx directory, just not the ones in preload/ [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 543 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:09 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:22 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 410 bytes --] Also, if you set a relative path in native-comp-eln-load-path (directly, not via `startup-redirect-eln-cache'), it defaults to `invocation-directory', which is (in an in-place run) the src/ subdir. Which is weird: (push "./test-native" native-comp-eln-load-path) and then the test-native/ subdir is created both under `user-emacs-directory' and `invocation-directory' (the .eln files go to the second one). [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 561 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:22 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:22:05 +0100 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48108@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > Also, if you set a relative path in native-comp-eln-load-path (directly, not via `startup-redirect-eln-cache'), it > defaults to `invocation-directory', which is (in an in-place run) the src/ subdir. > > Which is weird: > > (push "./test-native" native-comp-eln-load-path) > > and then the test-native/ subdir is created both under `user-emacs-directory' and `invocation-directory' (the > .eln files go to the second one). Why is this weird? These files are needed early at startup, when Emacs is still unable to do anything fancy, so how is it "weird" that relative file names are interpreted as relative to where Emacs runs? Are you aware of any other programs that interpret relative file names differently? If the effect surprises you, don't add relative file names to the variable. You aren't supposed to anyway; AFAIR this option is only used during the build, if at all. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 992 bytes --] On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:42 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: Why is this weird? These files are needed early at startup, when Emacs is > still unable to do anything fancy, so how is it "weird" that relative file > names are interpreted as relative to where Emacs runs? Are you aware of > any > other programs that interpret relative file names differently? > It is used also for files that are not required early at startup (unless you consider "early at startup" native-compiling the .el/.elc files required or loaded in init.el). If the effect surprises you, don't add relative file names to the variable. > For sure. > You aren't supposed to anyway; AFAIR this option is only used during the > build, if at all. > I don't disagree, but that's not evident reading native-comp-eln-load-path's docstring. Anyway, the fact that if you set a relative dir ./test-compile in that variable both ~/.emacs.d/test-compile and src/test-compile directories are created is also a bug. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1988 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:54 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 15:14 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:54:32 +0100 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48108@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:42 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > Why is this weird? These files are needed early at startup, when Emacs is > still unable to do anything fancy, so how is it "weird" that relative file > names are interpreted as relative to where Emacs runs? Are you aware of any > other programs that interpret relative file names differently? > > It is used also for files that are not required early at startup (unless you consider "early at startup" > native-compiling the .el/.elc files required or loaded in init.el). I do. > You aren't supposed to anyway; AFAIR this option is only used during the > build, if at all. > > I don't disagree, but that's not evident reading native-comp-eln-load-path's docstring. This is Emacs: you get enough rope to hang yourself. We trust you that you either know what you are doing, or won't do it. > Anyway, the fact that if you set a relative dir ./test-compile in that variable both ~/.emacs.d/test-compile and > src/test-compile directories are created is also a bug. Why do you think it's a bug? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 15:14 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 381 bytes --] On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 15:43 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > This is Emacs: you get enough rope to hang yourself. We trust you that you > either know what you are doing, or won't do it. > Still, a brief reminder/warning in the docstring would be nice. We warn, occasionally. > > Why do you think it's a bug? > Because the ~/. emacs.d/ one is created but left empty. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1098 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 15:14 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 16:53 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:14:27 +0100 > Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 48108@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 15:43 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > > This is Emacs: you get enough rope to hang yourself. We trust you that you > either know what you are doing, or won't do it. > > Still, a brief reminder/warning in the docstring would be nice. We warn, occasionally. > > Why do you think it's a bug? > > Because the ~/. emacs.d/ one is created but left empty. I still don't understand why would that constitute a bug. It is created so that future compilation wouldn't have to worry about its existence if and when they need to deposit *.eln files there. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 16:53 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 581 bytes --] On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 5:48 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: I still don't understand why would that constitute a bug. It is created so > that future compilation wouldn't have to worry about its existence if and > when they need to deposit *.eln files there. > Because preventively creating subdirs that will, or will not, ever be used is untidy. Also, because if someone has taken the effort of setting the variable, it's quite possible they don't want .eln files in ~/.emacs.d/ Yes, they should use an absolute path, and/or `startup-redirect-eln-cache' (preferably). [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1204 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:09 ` Juanma Barranquero 2022-11-28 13:22 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii 2022-11-28 13:48 ` Juanma Barranquero 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas > From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:09:42 +0100 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48108@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > Some of the weird things I see are perhaps the consequence of running Emacs in place from the build tree. > > It is assumed that normal users have write access to native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxxx/, but not to > native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxx/preloaded? No, to both. > The function already deletes any *.eln file in a stale native VERSION-xxxxxxx directory, just not the ones in > preload/ That's a bug, IMO. The last directory in native-comp-eln-load-path should not be emptied. On a multi-user system, some other user could run an Emacs that uses the files in the native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxx/ directory. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* bug#48108: Wishlist: Command to remove redundant eln cache directories [native-comp] 2022-11-28 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-11-28 13:48 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2022-11-28 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, 48108, stefankangas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 335 bytes --] On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:38 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: That's a bug, IMO. The last directory in native-comp-eln-load-path should > not be emptied. On a multi-user system, some other user could run an Emacs > that uses the files in the native-lisp/VERSION-xxxxxxx/ directory. > I'll create a bug report for that, then. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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