* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
@ 2020-11-01 5:04 Robert Weiner
2020-11-01 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Robert Weiner @ 2020-11-01 5:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44365
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In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60
Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95))
of 2020-08-12 built on builder10-14.porkrind.org
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1671
System Description: Mac OS X 10.14.6
If I first call intern-soft with the symbol-name of an unbound symbol,
then it returns nil properly. But if I instead give intern-soft the
symbol, it always returns the symbol rather than nil. Maybe it
is because the internal call to symbol-name interns the symbol before it
can test whether it is bound. Isn't this a bug?
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 5:04 bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil Robert Weiner
@ 2020-11-01 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-01 13:55 ` Robert Weiner
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-11-01 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Weiner; +Cc: rswgnu, 44365
Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
> If I first call intern-soft with the symbol-name of an unbound symbol,
> then it returns nil properly. But if I instead give intern-soft the
> symbol, it always returns the symbol rather than nil. Maybe it
> is because the internal call to symbol-name interns the symbol before it can test
> whether it is bound. Isn't this a bug?
So your test case is
(intern-soft 'does-not-exist)
?
That's not a valid use case for the function -- the reader will intern
`does-not-exist', and so the `intern-soft' call will just return the
interned symbol. The function is meant to be used like:
(intern-soft "does-not-exist")
So I'm closing this bug reprt.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-11-01 13:55 ` Robert Weiner
2020-11-01 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-01 14:20 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Robert Weiner @ 2020-11-01 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 44365
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Hi Lars:
I would have only sent intern-soft a string if it were not for the doc
string which says it takes a string or a symbol.
"Return the canonical symbol named NAME, or nil if none exists.
NAME may be a string or a symbol. If it is a symbol, that exact
symbol is searched for."
So, the doc string must need changing if your view is correct.
Bob
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 8:19 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > If I first call intern-soft with the symbol-name of an unbound symbol,
> > then it returns nil properly. But if I instead give intern-soft the
> > symbol, it always returns the symbol rather than nil. Maybe it
> > is because the internal call to symbol-name interns the symbol before it
> can test
> > whether it is bound. Isn't this a bug?
>
> So your test case is
>
> (intern-soft 'does-not-exist)
>
> ?
>
> That's not a valid use case for the function -- the reader will intern
> `does-not-exist', and so the `intern-soft' call will just return the
> interned symbol. The function is meant to be used like:
>
> (intern-soft "does-not-exist")
>
> So I'm closing this bug reprt.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
> bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 13:55 ` Robert Weiner
@ 2020-11-01 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-01 14:27 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-11-01 14:31 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-11-01 14:20 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-11-01 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Weiner; +Cc: rswgnu, 44365
Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
> "Return the canonical symbol named NAME, or nil if none exists.
> NAME may be a string or a symbol. If it is a symbol, that exact
> symbol is searched for."
>
> So, the doc string must need changing if your view is correct.
No, it's talking about searching for a symbol in a different obarray, I
think (the second argument to intern-soft):
(intern-soft 'foo other-obarray)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 13:55 ` Robert Weiner
2020-11-01 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-11-01 14:20 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2020-11-01 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Weiner; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, rswgnu, 44365
On Nov 01 2020, Robert Weiner wrote:
> "Return the canonical symbol named NAME, or nil if none exists.
> NAME may be a string or a symbol. If it is a symbol, that exact
> symbol is searched for."
>
> So, the doc string must need changing if your view is correct.
There is no bug here. Since the symbol already exists in the obarry, it
is returned. If you pass it a symbol that doesn't exist in the obarray,
the function returns nil.
Andreas.
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-11-01 14:27 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-11-01 14:31 ` Philipp Stephani
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2020-11-01 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Robert Weiner, rswgnu, 44365
Am So., 1. Nov. 2020 um 15:10 Uhr schrieb Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
>
> Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > "Return the canonical symbol named NAME, or nil if none exists.
> > NAME may be a string or a symbol. If it is a symbol, that exact
> > symbol is searched for."
> >
> > So, the doc string must need changing if your view is correct.
>
> No, it's talking about searching for a symbol in a different obarray, I
> think (the second argument to intern-soft):
>
> (intern-soft 'foo other-obarray)
>
You can also search for a symbol in the current obarray, as long as
the symbol is uninterned:
(intern-soft '#:foo)
(Not that this is very useful, searching for an uninterned symbol will
always return nil)
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* bug#44365: 27.1; intern-soft given a symbol never returns nil
2020-11-01 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-01 14:27 ` Philipp Stephani
@ 2020-11-01 14:31 ` Philipp Stephani
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2020-11-01 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Robert Weiner, rswgnu, 44365
Am So., 1. Nov. 2020 um 15:10 Uhr schrieb Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
>
> Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > "Return the canonical symbol named NAME, or nil if none exists.
> > NAME may be a string or a symbol. If it is a symbol, that exact
> > symbol is searched for."
> >
> > So, the doc string must need changing if your view is correct.
>
> No, it's talking about searching for a symbol in a different obarray, I
> think (the second argument to intern-soft):
>
> (intern-soft 'foo other-obarray)
I don't think this can ever return non-nil (assuming other-obarray is
a separate obarray from the default one), as the reader interns
symbols in the default obarray, so the symbol isn't found in the other
obarray:
(let ((other-obarray (make-vector 10 nil)))
(list (intern-soft 'foo other-obarray)
(intern "foo" other-obarray)
(intern-soft 'foo other-obarray)))
=> (nil foo nil)
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