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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: 25581@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#25581: 25.1; Incorrect statement in (elisp) `Hooks'
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:58:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zh6k6nok.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnNsJMRQQ+vhVcCMJoj2OudQku39xzgXnWmZcbUHxhdvA@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 24 Aug 2020 11:54:28 -0400")

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

>>>  If the variable’s name ends in ‘-function’, then its value is just a
>>>  single function, not a list of functions.  ‘add-hook’ cannot be used to
>>>  modify such a _single function hook_, and you have to use ‘add-function’
>>>  instead (*note Advising Functions::).
>>>
>>> You CAN use `add-hook' to modify such a single-function hook.
>>> Nothing prevents you from doing so.  And nothing even suggests
>>> that you should not.  And you have always been able to do so.
>
> I'm not sure the above makes sense.  Doesn't it usually work like:
>
> (setq foo-function 'message)
> (add-hook 'foo-function 'error) ; should work?
> (funcall foo-function) ; => Lisp error: (invalid-function (error message))

run-hooks is very permissive -- you can set the value of a -hooks
variable to a single function, and it'll still work:

(setq my-hook (lambda () (message "foo")))
(run-hooks 'my-hook)

So I think Drew is assuming that this -function variable would be run by
run-hook, and then things would still indeed work.

> It sort of makes sense when read next to the paragraph before, doesn't
> it?  There the concept "abnormal hook" is defined with an explanation of
> variables ending in '-functions', and the paragraph about variables
> ending in '-function' is written mostly in contrast to that.
>
> I think the confusing thing here is that there are two ways to modify
> these single function hooks: setq and add-function.

But -functions variables are abnormal hooks.  -function variables aren't
hooks at all.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-24 15:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-30 16:51 bug#25581: 25.1; Incorrect statement in (elisp) `Hooks' Drew Adams
2017-01-31  3:05 ` npostavs
2017-01-31  3:36   ` Mark Oteiza
2017-01-31  4:06     ` Drew Adams
2017-01-31  3:55   ` Drew Adams
2017-01-31  4:16     ` npostavs
2017-01-31 16:02       ` Drew Adams
2017-02-01  3:35         ` npostavs
2017-02-01 17:01           ` Drew Adams
2017-02-04 21:00             ` npostavs
2017-02-05  2:11               ` Drew Adams
2017-02-10  1:42                 ` npostavs
2017-02-10  3:00                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11  2:26               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11 14:12                 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 15:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-24 15:54   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-24 15:58     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2020-08-24 16:20       ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 16:13     ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 16:18     ` Drew Adams
2020-08-26  1:50       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 18:27         ` Drew Adams
2020-08-24 16:01   ` Drew Adams

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