From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?"
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:49:53 +0200")
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this
>> instead:
>>
>> M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer.
>>
>> This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick
>> help" less than it could be.
>>
>> Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by
>> "C-h ?".
>
> Hm... It's rather confusing all over now. All the other commands after
> `C-h ?' do the same as typing the commands directly.
>
> That is, `C-h t' shows the Emacs tutorial, and `C-h ? t' does the same.
>
> `C-h q' shows the quick help, but `C-h ? q' doesn't -- it just exits
> `help-for-help'.
>
> But the help-for-help says that it "Display the quick help buffer.",
> which is only correct when you haven't `C-h ?' first.
>
> So this is confusing on several different levels at the same time, and I
> don't know what the best fix here would be.
It was probably wrong to add `help-quick-or-quit' to C-h ? in the first
place. My proposal to bind C-h q to `help-quick-or-quit' was that "C-h
q" had no effect *outside of* the Metahelp buffer. But of course, in
the Metahelp buffer "q" does have an effect, that overrides
`help-quick-or-quit'. My guess is that that is the reason why the
binding is displayed using M-x.
I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen
help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick
help buffer.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-16 10:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-15 9:40 bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 9:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 10:21 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-10-16 10:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 12:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16 13:39 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 14:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 22:39 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 22:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 16:50 ` Stefan Kangas
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