* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
@ 2013-08-02 22:15 Barry OReilly
2013-08-03 1:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-06 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Barry OReilly @ 2013-08-02 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 15014
In a file with text-mode, try forward-sexp across a double quoted
string: "foo". Unlike in programming modes, point goes before the
closing double quote instead of after.
A consequence of this is that delete-pair on
"foo"
results in
fo"
instead of
foo
as expected.
In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.10.4)
of 2013-06-18 on psd15
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* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
2013-08-02 22:15 bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction Barry OReilly
@ 2013-08-03 1:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-03 17:01 ` Barry OReilly
2021-09-06 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-08-03 1:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Barry OReilly; +Cc: 15014
> In a file with text-mode, try forward-sexp across a double quoted
> string: "foo". Unlike in programming modes, point goes before the
> closing double quote instead of after.
In text-mode, double-quotes are not considered as pair-delimiters, so
the behavior is "the expected one". E.g. point stops after the second
`o', because the sexp it skipped is the symbol `foo' and the " are
considered as irrelevant punctuation.
So, IIUC you're arguing for marking " as having paired-delimiter syntax,
as is the case in most programming modes.
Stefan
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* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
2013-08-03 1:23 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-08-03 17:01 ` Barry OReilly
2013-08-04 21:17 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Barry OReilly @ 2013-08-03 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: 15014
> So, IIUC you're arguing for marking " as having paired-delimiter
> syntax, as is the case in most programming modes.
I'm arguing for behavior that makes sense for the user. This seems
like the way to achieve that.
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* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
2013-08-03 17:01 ` Barry OReilly
@ 2013-08-04 21:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-05 14:15 ` Barry OReilly
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-08-04 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Barry OReilly; +Cc: 15014
>> So, IIUC you're arguing for marking " as having paired-delimiter
>> syntax, as is the case in most programming modes.
> I'm arguing for behavior that makes sense for the user.
You mean "to this user" ;-)
> This seems like the way to achieve that.
Indeed. I do expect that most programmers will use " in text-mode in
ways that behave well when treated as string delimiters, so that might
be a good option in general, but if some text contains a non-matched "
the behavior tends to be pretty annoying, so I'm not sure it's a safe
enough change.
Stefan
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* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
2013-08-04 21:17 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-08-05 14:15 ` Barry OReilly
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Barry OReilly @ 2013-08-05 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 15014
> You mean "to this user"
Oh, I'm the only user who thinks this is wrong behavior for
forward-sexp and delete-pair?
> I do expect that most programmers will use " in text-mode in ways
> that behave well when treated as string delimiters, so that might be
> a good option in general, but if some text contains a non-matched "
> the behavior tends to be pretty annoying, so I'm not sure it's a
> safe enough change.
I'm not arguing here that we font lock double quoted strings (though
I'm not convinced either). Without font locking, I can't think of a
concrete case that yields the "pretty annoying behavior". What do you
have in mind?
I added
(modify-syntax-entry ?\" "$")
to my configuration and find that forward-sexp and delete-pair seem to
work without confusion, even in the presence of odd double quotes. It
seems forward-sexp just scans forward from point.
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* bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction
2013-08-02 22:15 bug#15014: 24.3.50; In text-mode, incorrect forward-sexp causes delete-pair malfunction Barry OReilly
2013-08-03 1:23 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2021-09-06 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-09-06 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Barry OReilly; +Cc: 15014
Barry OReilly <gundaetiapo@gmail.com> writes:
> In a file with text-mode, try forward-sexp across a double quoted
> string: "foo". Unlike in programming modes, point goes before the
> closing double quote instead of after.
>
> A consequence of this is that delete-pair on
>
> "foo"
>
> results in
>
> fo"
>
> instead of
>
> foo
>
> as expected.
(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
at the time.)
When I try this in Emacs 28, I get:
delete-pair: Not before matching pair
Which is the expected behaviour, since " isn't paired in text modes. So
it seems like this has been fixed in the eight years since you reported
it (although not in the way you requested -- but we're not going to make
" a paired delimited in text modes by default, because that'd be pretty
confusing, I think), so I'm closing this bug report. If there's more to
be worked on here, please respond to the debbugs address and we'll
reopen.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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