bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Jose A. Ortega Ruiz via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

This is possibly not a bug per se, but certainly a nuisance. When using
the ProtonMail bridge service to read email in Gnus, some internal headers
are added to the messages, all of them prefixed by X-pm- so that they
pose no problems. But among them is one internal message id (X-pm-id)
that then gets added to the References: header contents as needed. Thus,
instead of seeing the original header, e.g.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
 <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
 <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
 <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
 <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
 <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

one gets

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
 <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
 <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
 <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
 <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
 <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <c3j0GRUnm7ZRQKF-bDqrBcUaFhUN184gOb3xe4f2rcPF-kJwXJB2clP_k0wkt8BGK_85N2ro4YkuIBmgZC7kOg==@protonmail.internalid> <t_dhLBndvM2vyK9s5Qx7Njsmmk0oTeVhk-78ViYQwbwRCsok-6SuIxGrG9qKdBdg-ekWFdqwPKOenA86C1Vn9g==@protonmail.internalid>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Note how two extraneous ids have been added to the list. I've checked
that if I remove them by editing the message threading works again. With
them, all I see is a flat tree where all mails are direct children of
the first one. It's as if having an id in the References that Gnus
cannot find broke proper threading. That's my theory anyway :)

Many thanks!
jao



In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version
 1.18.0) of 2024-03-23 built on osgiliath
Repository revision: 7e32e8392ab77f9df08a1f11831cbba2242d721f
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101011
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux trixie/sid

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix /usr/local/stow/emacs30jit --with-x-toolkit=no
 --with-native-compilation --with-imagemagick'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
IMAGEMAGICK JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES
NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY OLDXMENU PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND
SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Summary

Minor modes in effect:
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  magit-auto-revert-mode: t
  eat-eshell-visual-command-mode: t
  eat-eshell-mode: t
  circe-lagmon-mode: t
  telega-root-auto-fill-mode: t
  telega-active-video-chats-mode: t
  telega-active-locations-mode: t
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  telega-active-stories-mode: t
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  winner-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  vertico-multiform-mode: t
  vertico-mode: t
  marginalia-mode: t
  persistent-scratch-autosave-mode: t
  jao-minibuffer-mode: t
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  minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t
  repeat-mode: t
  server-mode: t
  savehist-mode: t
  recentf-mode: t
  save-place-mode: t
  override-global-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-compat hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-compat
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-tree hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-tree
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-lib hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-lib
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-message hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-message
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-address hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-address
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-show hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-show
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-wash hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-wash
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-print hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-print
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-company hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-company
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-hello hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-hello
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-parser hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-parser
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/coolj hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/coolj
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-jump hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-jump
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-maildir-fcc hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-maildir-fcc
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-tag hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-tag
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-version hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-version
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-mua hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-mua
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-crypto hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-crypto
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-draft hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-draft
/home/jao/lib/elisp/notmuch/notmuch-query hides /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/notmuch-query
/home/jao/.emacs.d/elpa.30/transient-20240321.2209/transient hides /usr/local/stow/emacs30jit/share/emacs/30.0.50/lisp/transient
/home/jao/etc/emacs/site/custom hides /usr/local/stow/emacs30jit/share/emacs/30.0.50/lisp/custom

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Memory information:
((conses 16 5090495 955039) (symbols 48 129083 476) (strings 32 889091 60253)
 (string-bytes 1 48867778) (vectors 16 286400) (vector-slots 8 5354724 529085)
 (floats 8 245615 39315) (intervals 56 231412 28620) (buffers 992 133))

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bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:18:25 +0000
> From:  "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> 
> This is possibly not a bug per se, but certainly a nuisance. When using
> the ProtonMail bridge service to read email in Gnus, some internal headers
> are added to the messages, all of them prefixed by X-pm- so that they
> pose no problems. But among them is one internal message id (X-pm-id)
> that then gets added to the References: header contents as needed. Thus,
> instead of seeing the original header, e.g.
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
>  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
>  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
>  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
>  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
>  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
>  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
>  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> one gets
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
>  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
>  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
>  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
>  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
>  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
>  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
>  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
>  <c3j0GRUnm7ZRQKF-bDqrBcUaFhUN184gOb3xe4f2rcPF-kJwXJB2clP_k0wkt8BGK_85N2ro4YkuIBmgZC7kOg==@protonmail.internalid> <t_dhLBndvM2vyK9s5Qx7Njsmmk0oTeVhk-78ViYQwbwRCsok-6SuIxGrG9qKdBdg-ekWFdqwPKOenA86C1Vn9g==@protonmail.internalid>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Note how two extraneous ids have been added to the list. I've checked
> that if I remove them by editing the message threading works again. With
> them, all I see is a flat tree where all mails are direct children of
> the first one. It's as if having an id in the References that Gnus
> cannot find broke proper threading. That's my theory anyway :)

Eric, any comments?

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Eli Zaretskii]

Ping!  Eric, any comments?

> Cc: 70054@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2024 12:18:22 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> 
> > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:18:25 +0000
> > From:  "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> >  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> > 
> > 
> > This is possibly not a bug per se, but certainly a nuisance. When using
> > the ProtonMail bridge service to read email in Gnus, some internal headers
> > are added to the messages, all of them prefixed by X-pm- so that they
> > pose no problems. But among them is one internal message id (X-pm-id)
> > that then gets added to the References: header contents as needed. Thus,
> > instead of seeing the original header, e.g.
> > 
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
> >  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
> >  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
> >  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
> >  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
> >  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
> >  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
> >  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> > 
> > one gets
> > 
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
> >  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
> >  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
> >  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
> >  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
> >  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
> >  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
> >  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
> >  <c3j0GRUnm7ZRQKF-bDqrBcUaFhUN184gOb3xe4f2rcPF-kJwXJB2clP_k0wkt8BGK_85N2ro4YkuIBmgZC7kOg==@protonmail.internalid> <t_dhLBndvM2vyK9s5Qx7Njsmmk0oTeVhk-78ViYQwbwRCsok-6SuIxGrG9qKdBdg-ekWFdqwPKOenA86C1Vn9g==@protonmail.internalid>
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> > 
> > Note how two extraneous ids have been added to the list. I've checked
> > that if I remove them by editing the message threading works again. With
> > them, all I see is a flat tree where all mails are direct children of
> > the first one. It's as if having an id in the References that Gnus
> > cannot find broke proper threading. That's my theory anyway :)
> 
> Eric, any comments?
> 
> 
> 
> 

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Eric Abrahamsen]

On 04/18/24 12:04 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Ping!  Eric, any comments?
>
>> Cc: 70054@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2024 12:18:22 +0300
>> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>> 
>> > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:18:25 +0000
>> > From:  "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>> >  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> > 
>> > 
>> > This is possibly not a bug per se, but certainly a nuisance. When using
>> > the ProtonMail bridge service to read email in Gnus, some internal headers
>> > are added to the messages, all of them prefixed by X-pm- so that they
>> > pose no problems. But among them is one internal message id (X-pm-id)
>> > that then gets added to the References: header contents as needed. Thus,
>> > instead of seeing the original header, e.g.
>> > 
>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> > References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
>> >  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> >  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
>> >  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
>> >  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
>> >  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
>> >  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
>> >  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> > 
>> > one gets
>> > 
>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> > References: <1399485980.12016.1.camel@Iris>
>> >  <CAJsg1E_Spqmm+wiwuKj6oeCFtZsyoTX9hRY1wAJ4T=TR2yKSmQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> >  <E1WiXKp-0003iD-2k@fencepost.gnu.org> <nn8uqblav2.fsf@bacon.lysator.liu.se>
>> >  <536C9013.1010806@gnu.org>
>> >  <CACujMDMbDfPP_7Es2Q0umgrgo9GH3_RhTYsfs3JKdmc2hORbRA@mail.gmail.com>
>> >  <E1WjRba-0005Aw-6q@fencepost.gnu.org> <1399810320.5752.0.camel@Iris>
>> >  <20140511122347.GA4055@intra> <1399814588.5752.4.camel@Iris>
>> >  <20140511183915.GA13216@fencepost.gnu.org>
>> >  <c3j0GRUnm7ZRQKF-bDqrBcUaFhUN184gOb3xe4f2rcPF-kJwXJB2clP_k0wkt8BGK_85N2ro4YkuIBmgZC7kOg==@protonmail.internalid>
>> > <t_dhLBndvM2vyK9s5Qx7Njsmmk0oTeVhk-78ViYQwbwRCsok-6SuIxGrG9qKdBdg-ekWFdqwPKOenA86C1Vn9g==@protonmail.internalid>
>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> > 
>> > Note how two extraneous ids have been added to the list. I've checked
>> > that if I remove them by editing the message threading works again. With
>> > them, all I see is a flat tree where all mails are direct children of
>> > the first one. It's as if having an id in the References that Gnus
>> > cannot find broke proper threading. That's my theory anyway :)
>> 
>> Eric, any comments?

This certainly does sound like a bug. This is a pretty complex part of
Gnus, and it might take a while to track down. Jose, can you tell me
your value of `gnus-build-sparse-threads'? I would think that, if Gnus
*isn't* trying to build sparse threads, these unknown Message-IDs would
simply be treated like messages that haven't been loaded into the
Summary buffer, and ignored. Can you tell me your current value for that
variable, and also if/how changing the value (particularly between 'more
and 't) changes the behavior here?

Thanks!
Eric

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Jose A Ortega Ruiz]

On Sun, Apr 21 2024, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

[...]

>>> Eric, any comments?
>
> This certainly does sound like a bug. This is a pretty complex part of
> Gnus, and it might take a while to track down. Jose, can you tell me
> your value of `gnus-build-sparse-threads'? I would think that, if Gnus
> *isn't* trying to build sparse threads, these unknown Message-IDs would
> simply be treated like messages that haven't been loaded into the
> Summary buffer, and ignored. Can you tell me your current value for that
> variable, and also if/how changing the value (particularly between 'more
> and 't) changes the behavior here?

Currently, I've got it set to nil. Setting it to t seems to almost
totally break the listing: there's some threading but it's displayed as
every single message being indented respect to the previous one most of
the time (i know from displaying those threads using notmuch that that's
not the case at all), and most messages have wrong dates and are marked
as cancelled or deleted when i try to access them the usual way
(e.g. with RET in the summary buffer). Maybe there's some conflict with
something cached, but it really seems to break hell loose :)

Thanks!
jao

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Jose A Ortega Ruiz <jao@gnu.org> writes:

> On Sun, Apr 21 2024, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> Eric, any comments?
>>
>> This certainly does sound like a bug. This is a pretty complex part of
>> Gnus, and it might take a while to track down. Jose, can you tell me
>> your value of `gnus-build-sparse-threads'? I would think that, if Gnus
>> *isn't* trying to build sparse threads, these unknown Message-IDs would
>> simply be treated like messages that haven't been loaded into the
>> Summary buffer, and ignored. Can you tell me your current value for that
>> variable, and also if/how changing the value (particularly between 'more
>> and 't) changes the behavior here?
>
> Currently, I've got it set to nil. Setting it to t seems to almost
> totally break the listing: there's some threading but it's displayed as
> every single message being indented respect to the previous one most of
> the time (i know from displaying those threads using notmuch that that's
> not the case at all), and most messages have wrong dates and are marked
> as cancelled or deleted when i try to access them the usual way
> (e.g. with RET in the summary buffer). Maybe there's some conflict with
> something cached, but it really seems to break hell loose :)

Gruesome! I experimented with nnmaildir in gnus-mock, adding spurious
message-ids to the References header, and nothing happened; they were
just ignored.

You mentioned the Proton bridge, I assume that's nnimap from Gnus' point
of view? I tried the same, editing a message in Dovecot's maildir store,
but it really didn't like that -- every time I tried to enter the group
the imap process died.

Can you tell me a little more about how you're accessing these messages,
inside Gnus?

Thanks,
Eric

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Jose A Ortega Ruiz]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for looking into this!

On Mon, Apr 22 2024, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

[...]

> Can you tell me a little more about how you're accessing these messages,
> inside Gnus?

I am using nnmail.

I use fetchmail to fetch the messages from the imap server exposed by
ProtonMail's bridge, storing them in a local maildirs.

Then, I declare those maildirs in `mail-sources', and the messages are
read using Gnus's nnmail backend. That is, what Gnus ultimately uses is
nnmail with sources that happen to be a maildirs; imap is not involved.

Thus, elements in the mail-sources list have the form
(maildir "/home/jao/maildirs/foo").  Finally, although i don't think that
matters, a set of rules in `nnmail-split-fancy' tell Gnus to what nnmail
group each message belongs.

Cheers,
jao
-- 
We live on an island surrounded by a sea of ignorance. As our island
of knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance. - John Wheeler

bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Andreas Schwab]

On Apr 23 2024, Jose A Ortega Ruiz wrote:

> Then, I declare those maildirs in `mail-sources', and the messages are
> read using Gnus's nnmail backend. That is, what Gnus ultimately uses is
> nnmail with sources that happen to be a maildirs; imap is not involved.

nnmail is not a gnus backend on its own, more like an abstract base
class.  Did you mean nnmaildir?

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bug#70054: 30.0.50; Unknown ids in References: break threading

[Jose A Ortega Ruiz]

On Tue, Apr 23 2024, Andreas Schwab wrote:

> On Apr 23 2024, Jose A Ortega Ruiz wrote:
>
>> Then, I declare those maildirs in `mail-sources', and the messages are
>> read using Gnus's nnmail backend. That is, what Gnus ultimately uses is
>> nnmail with sources that happen to be a maildirs; imap is not involved.
>
> nnmail is not a gnus backend on its own, more like an abstract base
> class.  Did you mean nnmaildir?

Sorry, no, I meant nnml. As I mention in another email, the problem also
appears with nnimap.