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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
@ 2018-10-20 20:59 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-21  2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-20 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 33109

In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
upon exit.

Only if they read (info "(emacs) Saving Customizations") will they learn
of the hidden "Save for Future Sessions" button.

I propose the latter button be placed on the interface right beside the
former button, visible from the start.





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-20 20:59 bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21  2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-10-21  2:43   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-21  2:44   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-21  2:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
> 	<jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:59:23 +0800
> 
> In the Customize Face buffer most users will think the "Apply and Save"
> button will save their changes to a file, only to unknowingly lose them
> upon exit.

In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
Save"?  I only see "Apply".





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-21  2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-21  2:43   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-21  2:44   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-21  2:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".

emacs-version "25.2.2"
C-u C-x =
Click on "customize what to show".





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-21  2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-10-21  2:43   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21  2:44   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-21 12:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-21  2:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".

Don't start emacs with -Q !





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-21  2:44   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-21 12:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-10-24 22:53       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-21 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
> 
> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
> EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".
> 
> Don't start emacs with -Q !

OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-21 12:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-24 22:53       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-25 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-24 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
>> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:44:53 +0800
>> 
>> >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> In what version of Emacs is that, and where do you see "Apply and
EZ> Save"?  I only see "Apply".
>> 
>> Don't start emacs with -Q !

EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
EZ> file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.

It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
.emacs-custom.el . Anyway, then why is the difference between the
"Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button? OK I suppose the
latter would just save and not apply.

(However I have not looked at the code.)





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-24 22:53       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-25 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-10-25 15:22           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-25 15:23           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-10-25 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson; +Cc: 33109

> From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
> Cc: 33109@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:53:06 +0800
> 
> EZ> OK, but then "Apply and Save" does save the customizations in a
> EZ> file--in my init file.  It even says so in the echo area.  So I think
> EZ> I'm going to say that I cannot reproduce your problem, neither in
> EZ> Emacs 25.2 nor in Emacs 26.1.
> 
> It saves them to your .emacs ? Maybe it didn't detect you had a
> .emacs-custom.el .

Why is this detail important?  Your original report was that it
doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit").  Do we now agree that
the customization _is_ saved when you press that button?  And that
there's no bug here?

> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?

What "Save for Future Sessions" button?  I only see  "Save for Future
Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-25 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-10-25 15:22           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  2018-10-25 15:23           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-25 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 33109-close

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
EZ> Why is this detail important?  Your original report was that it
EZ> doesn't save at all ("will be lost upon exit").  Do we now agree that
EZ> the customization _is_ saved when you press that button?  And that
EZ> there's no bug here?

Nothing got saved for me

>> Anyway, then why is the difference between the
>> "Apply and Save" and "Save for Future Sessions" button?

EZ> What "Save for Future Sessions" button?  I only see  "Save for Future
EZ> Sessions" in the "State" menu, I don't see a button with that label.

Ah, so there are two different "states" for saving...

OK I'll close this bug. Customization has always been a disaster for me.
Forget it.





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* bug#33109: Expose hidden "Save for Future Sessions" Customizations button
  2018-10-25 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-10-25 15:22           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
@ 2018-10-25 15:23           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson @ 2018-10-25 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 33109-done

Closing.





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