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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 51335@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#51335: 29.0.50; Use warnings facility for reporting Gnus errors
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:28:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0i13qng.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o87e46bv.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:37:40 +0200")


On 10/24/21 20:37 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> - Calls `ding'. This function returns nil on my system, dunno if it does
>>   anything on other systems.
>
> (ding) gives a beep and/or flashes the "visual bell", but many people
> has switched off both -- so you get neither.
>
>> That means there are only
>> three places where the `message' isn't immediately swallowed by whatever
>> comes next (and there's almost always another message coming next),
>> which really means there are only three places where `gnus-error' does
>> anything different from `gnus-message'.
>
> Well, it depends on how you've configured your messaging level...

But both `gnus-error' and `gnus-message' consult the same verbosity
option, so they're not really much different.

>> I think the main concerns here are making sure the user actually sees
>> important messages, through a combination of splitting them off into
>> their own buffer, so they don't get lost in *Messages*, and potentially
>> delaying display until a particular action is complete, and the user has
>> a chance to see them.
>
> My worry is that we're annoying users with warnings that aren't
> interesting.

I haven't changed how `gnus-verbose' works, so that filter does the same
thing it always has. The only real difference is that messages/errors go
into a dedicated buffer, and the user has the option to keep the buffer
hidden (the default), pop it up with a command, or fit it into their
existing Gnus window configuration however they like.

For instance, my *Group* configuration contains nothing but the *Group*
buffer: the right two-thirds of the frame are whitespace. I'd probably
make the *Gnus Log* buffer always visible there, and always hide it
otherwise.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-25 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-22 17:04 bug#51335: 29.0.50; Use warnings facility for reporting Gnus errors Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-24 18:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 18:28   ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2021-10-25 18:33     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-10-27 13:01     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06  0:03       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-11-06 18:18         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06 21:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-11-07 13:40   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04 20:42     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-12-04 22:13       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-13 14:45         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-11-07 20:53           ` Eric Abrahamsen

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