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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 51733@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org
Subject: bug#51733: 27.1; Detect impossible email addresses better
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:45:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0ev91ba.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bl07srh9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:57:38 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> OK, but why do you think "Сгсе.ru" is confusable?  The SLD part is
> entirely made of single-script characters, and UTS#39 explicitly
> allows that:
>
>   [...] it can be perfectly legitimate to have scripts in a SLD
>   (second level domain) not be the same as scripts in a TLD (top-level
>   domain), such as:
>
>     Cyrillic labels in a domain name with a TLD of .ru or .рф 
>
> That's your case, isn't it?

Yes, indeed.  But:

---
For some applications, it is useful to determine if a given input string has any whole-script confusable. For example, the identifier "ѕсоре" using Cyrillic characters would pass the single-script test described in Section 5.2, Restriction-Level Detection, even though it is likely to be a spoof attempt. 
---

So "Сгсе.ru" is suspicious in most contexts.

> Regardless of what they are saying, I don't think the above is
> suitable for production.  I think it should be enough to see whether
> there could be confusion with the corresponding ASCII characters from
> confusables.txt.

Yes, so that's what I've done now, but...  I'd feel slightly better if I
knew what they were actually getting at.  I think they're saying that if
"foo" is confusable with anything in any other scripts, then it's
suspicious?  But that sounds unworkeable.  For instance, "circle.ru" is
confusable with "СігсӀе.ru", and perhaps it's suspicious to a Russian,
but I don't see how to make a workable function from that.

Unless we start bringing in locales, and meh.

So perhaps what I've implemented now is sufficient for domains.

Anyway, I've implemented the user option and implemented this in shr, so
we'll see how that goes.  If no problems crop up, I'll announce all this
in NEWS and document it in the lispref manual tomorrow.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-19 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-10  0:29 bug#51733: 27.1; Detect impossible email addresses better 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2021-11-10  0:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-10  3:34   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-10  4:44     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-10 13:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11  2:52         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-11  7:01           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-11  7:31             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 15:47               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 16:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 16:09                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 16:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 16:33                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 16:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 17:03                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 17:50                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 18:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17  8:59                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 10:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 14:54                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 16:47                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 17:09                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 17:26                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:38                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:48                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 19:08                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 20:22                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18  8:40                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 11:26                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 11:37                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 11:44                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 12:00                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 12:47                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 12:51                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 18:44                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19  9:21                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19  9:26                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 10:12                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 10:27                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 10:42                                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 13:46                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 17:18                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-20  8:36                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 11:53                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 12:49                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 12:56                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:00                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:03                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 12:58                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:02                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:10                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:21                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:25                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:28                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:39                                                                                 ` Robert Pluĭm
2022-01-19 14:00                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:10                                                                                     ` Robert Pluĭm
2022-01-19 14:24                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:30                                                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 14:36                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:43                                                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 16:08                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-19 16:47                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19 16:51                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 16:57                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-19  9:25                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 11:51                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 12:54                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:01                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:06                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:11                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:16                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:25                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:31                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 13:35                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:36                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-19 13:57                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:06                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-19 14:09                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:13                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-19 14:33                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:39                                                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-19 14:44                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 18:48                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 20:15                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 20:31                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:38                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 15:05                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 12:49                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2022-01-19 12:59                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:35                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 14:59                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:56                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-18 14:55                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 13:55                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:14                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 14:28                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-19 14:57                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 15:45                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2022-01-19 16:58                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 18:25                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:42                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 17:46                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 15:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 15:25                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 15:53                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 16:31                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 16:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 16:57                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:02                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 17:04                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-16 18:14                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 18:24                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 18:34                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-01-16 18:44                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-16 17:53                         ` Achim Gratz
2022-01-17 17:13                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-17 17:43   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2022-01-17 19:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-20  8:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-20 15:25   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson

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