* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs @ 2009-07-30 13:38 ` Torsten Bronger 2009-07-31 3:52 ` Michael Albinus 2009-08-04 8:00 ` bug#3977: marked as done (23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs) Emacs bug Tracking System 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Torsten Bronger @ 2009-07-30 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-pretest-bug Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote path. From this moment on, Emacs is slow. I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp does so many network connections in the background because I use Emacs through the network itself (ssh -X). However, this is behaviour introduced within the last six weeks or so. By the way, Tramps complains that it can't find GVFS support, if this matters. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/etc/DEBUG for instructions. In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) of 2009-07-28 on wilson Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10600000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr/local/' '--mandir=/usr/local/share/man/' '--infodir=/usr/local/share/info/' '--with-x-toolkit=no' '--with-xpm' '--with-jpeg' '--with-tiff' '--with-gif' '--with-png' '--with-x'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: global-auto-revert-mode: t savehist-mode: t display-time-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t 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* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-07-30 13:38 ` bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Torsten Bronger @ 2009-07-31 3:52 ` Michael Albinus 2009-07-31 6:33 ` Torsten Bronger 2009-08-04 8:00 ` bug#3977: marked as done (23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs) Emacs bug Tracking System 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2009-07-31 3:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Bronger; +Cc: 3977 Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is > sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote path. > From this moment on, Emacs is slow. Does it also happen, when you start "emacs -Q"? > I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp does so > many network connections in the background because I use Emacs through > the network itself (ssh -X). I don't believe that this matters to Tramp. > However, this is behaviour introduced within the last six weeks or so. > > By the way, Tramps complains that it can't find GVFS support, if this > matters. That I will check. Best regars, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-07-31 3:52 ` Michael Albinus @ 2009-07-31 6:33 ` Torsten Bronger 2009-08-03 15:49 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Torsten Bronger @ 2009-07-31 6:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 3977 Hallöchen! Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > >> After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is >> sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote >> path. From this moment on, Emacs is slow. It's even sufficient to say customize-group -- tramp. > Does it also happen, when you start "emacs -Q"? See below. >> I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp >> does so many network connections in the background because I use >> Emacs through the network itself (ssh -X). > > I don't believe that this matters to Tramp. I sniffed the network activity, and I found out more. When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, here at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH tunnel, and then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs per se but only the display. For example, I can scroll through a large text file and it needs the same amount of time. But with Tramp, I don't see the text scrolling, just reaching the end. The reason seems to be that Tramp causes X network traffic (approx. 20 TCP packages) every 5 seconds. Apparently, it makes Emacs talking to the local client window in a way. The 5 seconds are very constant. Note that the machine I tried to open a file on with Tramp is different from the machine which runs the X server, so I can distinguish safely between Tramp's file system traffic and Tramp's X traffic. With emacs -Q, the effect is different. I don't see time intervals anymore, but a continuous sending of 60 TCP packages per second. So the effect is even worse but different. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-07-31 6:33 ` Torsten Bronger @ 2009-08-03 15:49 ` Michael Albinus 2009-08-03 16:22 ` Torsten Bronger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2009-08-03 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Bronger; +Cc: 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > Hallöchen! Hi, > When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, here > at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH tunnel, and > then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs per se but only > the display. For example, I can scroll through a large text file > and it needs the same amount of time. But with Tramp, I don't see > the text scrolling, just reaching the end. Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs through the tunnel? I have done it via ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q > The reason seems to be that Tramp causes X network traffic > (approx. 20 TCP packages) every 5 seconds. Apparently, it makes > Emacs talking to the local client window in a way. The 5 seconds > are very constant. 20 packages every 5 seconds does not sound problematic. But as I said, I cannot see a difference in network activity with loaded / not loaded Tramp. Could you, please, analyze these additional packages in more detail? Which port are they speaking to, which application is behind? Is it really X? > Tschö, > Torsten. Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-08-03 15:49 ` Michael Albinus @ 2009-08-03 16:22 ` Torsten Bronger 2009-08-04 3:41 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Torsten Bronger @ 2009-08-03 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Hallöchen! Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > > [...] > >> When using Emacs locally, you don't see this effect. However, >> here at work, I start Emacs on my home machine through an SSH >> tunnel, and then Tramp slows down Emacs significantly; not Emacs >> per se but only the display. For example, I can scroll through a >> large text file and it needs the same amount of time. But with >> Tramp, I don't see the text scrolling, just reaching the end. > > Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs > through the tunnel? I have done it via > > ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q This is equivalent to my test. And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP packets per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above command again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have 60 packets per second. > [...] > > [...] But as I said, I cannot see a difference in network activity > with loaded / not loaded Tramp. Could you, please, analyze these > additional packages in more detail? Then somebody must tell me how. ;-) I'm really not an expert in packet sniffing. Those packages are encrypted, so Wireshark shows me only garbage. > Which port are they speaking to, which application is behind? Is > it really X? I think -X means that only the X port is forwarded. Besides, the local machine has nothing else listening. There is no shared directory, and no SSH server. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-08-03 16:22 ` Torsten Bronger @ 2009-08-04 3:41 ` Michael Albinus 2009-08-04 6:10 ` Torsten Bronger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2009-08-04 3:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Torsten Bronger; +Cc: 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > Hallöchen! Hi, >> Honestly, I cannot reproduce the effect. How do you start Emacs >> through the tunnel? I have done it via >> >> ssh -X otherhost /usr/local/src/emacs/src/emacs -Q > > This is equivalent to my test. > > And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP packets > per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above command > again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have 60 packets > per second. I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your situation? I'll continue to investigate, whether I can find something else. > Tschö, > Torsten. Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs 2009-08-04 3:41 ` Michael Albinus @ 2009-08-04 6:10 ` Torsten Bronger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Torsten Bronger @ 2009-08-04 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: 3977@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Hallöchen! Michael Albinus writes: > Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > > [...] > >> [...] >> >> And then, I say "M-x customize-group RET RET" and have 4 TCP >> packets per second (maybe cursor blinking). If I start the above >> command again and say "M-x customize-group RET tramp RET", I have >> 60 packets per second. > > I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the > problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your > problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which > fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your > situation? The problem is now fixed for me, thanks. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: torsten.bronger@jabber.rwth-aachen.de or http://bronger-jmp.appspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#3977: marked as done (23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs) 2009-07-30 13:38 ` bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Torsten Bronger 2009-07-31 3:52 ` Michael Albinus @ 2009-08-04 8:00 ` Emacs bug Tracking System 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Emacs bug Tracking System @ 2009-08-04 8:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 864 bytes --] Your message dated Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:53:10 +0200 with message-id <nq1vns817d.fsf@alcatel-lucent.de> and subject line Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs has caused the Emacs bug report #3977, regarding 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com immediately.) -- 3977: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3977 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com with problems [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 21515 bytes --] From: Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:38:00 +0200 Message-ID: <87iqha8f5z.fsf@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: After starting Tramp, Emacs is slowed down significantly. It is sufficient to trigger Tramp just by tab-completion of a remote path. From this moment on, Emacs is slow. I can't really tell whether it is slow per se or because Tramp does so many network connections in the background because I use Emacs through the network itself (ssh -X). However, this is behaviour introduced within the last six weeks or so. By the way, Tramps complains that it can't find GVFS support, if this matters. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/etc/DEBUG for instructions. 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/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/obsolete/vc-mcvs /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/resume hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/obsolete/resume /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1.50/lisp/textmodes/rst hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/rst -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus [-- Attachment #3: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2541 bytes --] From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> To: Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> Cc: "3977-done\@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com" <3977-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> Subject: Re: bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:53:10 +0200 Message-ID: <nq1vns817d.fsf@alcatel-lucent.de> Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > Hallöchen! Hi, >> I'm still checking what happens. In the meantime, I've fixed the >> problem in loading tramp-gvfs. Maybe this is related to your >> problem, because dbus.el could try to send messages, which >> fails. Could you, please, check, whether it changes your >> situation? > > The problem is now fixed for me, thanks. Good to know, I close the bug report then. > Tschö, > Torsten. Thanks, and best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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2009-07-30 13:38 ` bug#3977: 23.1.50; Tramp slows down Emacs Torsten Bronger
2009-07-31 3:52 ` Michael Albinus
2009-07-31 6:33 ` Torsten Bronger
2009-08-03 15:49 ` Michael Albinus
2009-08-03 16:22 ` Torsten Bronger
2009-08-04 3:41 ` Michael Albinus
2009-08-04 6:10 ` Torsten Bronger
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